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jackvance

11-07-2008, 10:08 AM Post subject: 3 more hands.. Mutual Disbelief..

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1. In general how do you deal with the situations where you both know the other missed the flop, and it's a pissing contest to see who gets the pot? Give up a fair amount of the time? Here for example, I am 100% certain he's just raising out of disbelief, so should I 3bet the flop? It seems transparent too..

PokerStars Game #21817884778: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/06 19:41:26 ET
Table Cuitlahuac V 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 101ship101 ($8.85 in chips)
Seat 2: EMMM ($13.40 in chips)
Seat 3: penthirteen ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Sircanotalot ($17.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Lamberticus ($44.60 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($18.55 in chips)
EMMM: posts small blind $0.10
penthirteen: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Js Qh]
Sircanotalot: folds
Lamberticus: folds
HERO: raises $0.75 to $1
101ship101: folds
EMMM: folds
penthirteen: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [7c Th 8c]
penthirteen: checks
HERO: bets $1.25
penthirteen: raises $1.75 to $3
HERO: calls $1.75
*** TURN *** [7c Th 8c] [Qc]
penthirteen: bets $5.50
HERO: raises $9.05 to $14.55 and is all-in
penthirteen: calls $9.05
*** RIVER *** [7c Th 8c Qc] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
penthirteen: shows [Qd Kd] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
HERO: mucks hand
penthirteen collected $35.40 from pot

2. Here is another hand.. I just think he doesn't have anything, but that he doesn't believe I have anyting either. Maybe he flopped the straight though. Thoughts?

PokerStars Game #21818520287: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/06 20:05:44 ET
Table Amaryllis III 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: caless ($35.30 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO ($51.15 in chips)
Seat 4: MrDunns ($37.70 in chips)
Seat 5: waterlegs ($9.05 in chips)
Seat 6: buckeyebetty ($14.60 in chips)
MrDunns: posts small blind $0.10
waterlegs: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Js As]
buckeyebetty: folds
caless: raises $0.75 to $1
HERO: raises $2 to $3
MrDunns: folds
waterlegs: folds
caless: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [9h 8s Tc]
caless: checks
HERO: checks
*** TURN *** [9h 8s Tc] [4c]
caless: checks
HERO: bets $3
caless: raises $5 to $8
HERO: raises $7 to $15
caless: raises $17.30 to $32.30 and is all-in
HERO: folds
Uncalled bet ($17.30) returned to caless
caless collected $34.55 from pot
caless: doesnt show hand

3. And finally.. my friend was playing here, I would have folded the flop probably. Villain was crazy 30/80, the kind of player who tilts everyone at the table with his crazy plays, he ended up leaving with a 500-600BB stack (after hitting hands all night). Just patiently wait til you hit a hand and keep folding until then, right?

PokerStars Game #21811279568: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/11/06 15:35:39 ET
Table Cebriones 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Racoon1988 ($1 in chips)
Seat 2: ajpa67 ($25.40 in chips)
Seat 3: Mazze007 ($29.15 in chips)
Seat 4: meicetea ($32.60 in chips)
Seat 5: dannyjai86 ($29.20 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($38.05 in chips)
dannyjai86: posts small blind $0.10
HERO: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Ah Kh]
Racoon1988: folds
ajpa67: folds
Mazze007: folds
meicetea: calls $0.25
dannyjai86: folds
HERO: raises $1 to $1.25
meicetea: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Qh 4c Qd]
HERO: bets $1.50
meicetea: raises $1.50 to $3
HERO: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Qh 4c Qd] [2h]
dannyjai86 is disconnected
dannyjai86 is connected
HERO: checks
meicetea: bets $5
HERO: raises $10.25 to $15.25
meicetea: raises $13.10 to $28.35 and is all-in
HERO: calls $13.10
*** RIVER *** [Qh 4c Qd 2h] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows [Ah Kh] (three of a kind, Queens)
meicetea: shows [4s 8s] (a full house, Queens full of Fours)
meicetea collected $62.30 from pot

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11-07-2008, 10:42 AM

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These hands are really terrible. I can't even begin to explain all of the things you are doing and thinking wrong.

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11-07-2008, 11:59 AM

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2600 posts and you still don't use the converter. What the fuck?

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ChrisBCritter

11-07-2008, 12:30 PM

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You don't need to be fancy to beat this level. Cure your FPS now please.

Hand 1: Fold to flop raise. DO NOT go broke on that turn with TP? That is a SUPER wet board, let it go man!
Hand 2:

B/F that semi-wet flop, try to buy yourself a free river with your OESD...
Hand 3: Assuming you meant an 80/30, I raise PF a LOT more, like $2.50-$3, then try to get it in on the flop without being tricky. Turn Check-Raise is bad with A-high against this player.

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11-07-2008, 12:55 PM

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Hand 1: I check the flop behind because I want to hit that nine... I can still bet the turn if it's checked to me. Fold flop as played. This is why I like to check behind in this spot so I don't get raised off my draw. Also, because my cbet is not very believable on this board.
Hand 2: Fold to turn raise, his flop check doesn't mean anything because he could have been planning a check/raise.
Hand 3: he can be playing Q2o here
why would you try your luck when he obviously likes his hand?

DaddyDeez

11-07-2008, 03:11 PM

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people at 50NL and under dont really bluff as much as u think they do, usually when u get raised they have a valid hand. start believing raises and shoves, this shit is horrible leakyness syndrome. stop hating money

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flomo

11-07-2008, 03:26 PM

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hey jack,
how are things?

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11-07-2008, 03:43 PM

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11-07-2008, 04:09 PM

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Just so you know,

OESD's with overcards and gutshots with overs & backdoor flush draw
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jackvance

11-08-2008, 01:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flomo

hey jack,
how are things?

(very) good for me personally.. but these hands were played by a friend of mine - I was sitting next to him though (so I have no real excuse for the suckiness besides being influenced by our talk) . I'm rather drunk right now but I always thought he was a winning player but turns out his brother was supporting him with his own poker winnings, so I'll need to do some major schooling if I ever want to see my money again (that I fronted him).

What I personally woulda done if it was just me playing:
1) fold flop to the raise
2) check behind turn or fold to raise if I bet
3) fold flop to raise, or atleast turn (begrundgingly)

This might be too passive tho.

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11-09-2008, 12:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

2600 posts and you still don't use the converter. What the fuck?

lol...

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11-09-2008, 11:31 PM

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If u think they are bruffing, but u are also bruffing, the worst thing you can do is call.

I'd c-bet hand 2, probs b/f turn if he calls flop. Other 2, just fold the flop. I wouldn't even cbet hand 1 tbh.

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11-10-2008, 01:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

2600 posts and you still don't use the converter. What the fuck?

Scratch that, the converter is being gay and retarded.

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11-11-2008, 05:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

2600 posts and you still don't use the converter. What the fuck?

Scratch that, the converter is being gay and retarded.

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11-11-2008, 06:09 AM

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1) fold the flop.
2) 3-bet here is pretty bad. just flat.
3) i have no idea why you are calling his minraise...

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