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Danh Bai
Old 10-26-2008, 04:31 AM     Post subject: 3 hands , lateish stage in tourneys #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1

Hold'em, $5.00 BB (6 handed) - Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($2768)
Button ($2620)
SB ($2520)
BB ($2726)
Hero (UTG) ($3120)
MP ($1246)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero raises to $150, 2 folds, Button raises to $450, 1 fold, BB calls $400, [color=#CC3333]Hero??

Hand 2
Hold'em, $6.00 BB (8 handed) - Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($6785)
MP1 ($7640)
MP2 ($2149)
CO ($4035)
Button ($4360)
Hero (SB) ($4205)
BB ($8110)
UTG ($7716)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 9
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $200, 3 folds, Button calls $200, Hero calls $100, BB checks

Flop: ($800) J, 7, 9 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $200, Button raises to $1600

Hand 3


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UTG ($7072)
Button ($1510)
Hero (SB) ($3483)
BB ($2935)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6
2 folds, Hero raises to $600, BB raises to $2910 (All-In), Hero ??
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Old 10-26-2008, 04:51 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Lacks reads, and it says $5 BB... I doubt that's correct
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Old 10-26-2008, 04:55 AM #3 (permalink)  
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It's Saturday night, and all of these guys are LOOSE.

It should read: 5+.50 buy-in
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Old 10-26-2008, 06:29 AM #4 (permalink)  
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so what are the blinds?
sure they are loose, but are they loose aggresive or loose passive?
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Old 10-27-2008, 02:52 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 Hand one is 25/50, hand two is 100/200, and hand three is 100/200?

If I'm right, here's my advice:

1) shove

2) I probably fold PF. If you're completing PF, you should probably bet the flop OOP and then shove over a raise. Uhh as played ... I guess I still shove.

3) Is this a 1-table SnG? Is it the bubble? What are your reads on the BB? How active have you been with your raises? This hand depends on everything I just asked and probably more.

Edit: oops got the blinds wrong for hand 3. Fixed I think...



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Old 10-27-2008, 02:56 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 btw, where are these hand histories from? Looks like the converter really had a problem with them. Would you be able to PM me and give them to me as they were direct from the site so that I can pass along these converter problems to the admins?



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Old 10-27-2008, 05:44 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I'd just call all the way down. If they're loose players, there's better opportunities then shoving on the AK in my opinion. You can also fold if you missed the flop. If you are good with the odds, you can overtake the game later on.

For position 2, I'm not laying down 2 pair. That's just impossible. Calling pretty much means all in, and I'd do it. Shoving and calling mean the same thing in this situation. If he holds top pair, he's going to all-in or call, and you calling or shoving doesn't change the order of the next cards. I put the villain on AJ. Worse case is he has a set.

AK? I'd call thinking he has something like that. Since these games shouldn't affect your bankroll, and you're grinding these things out. I think those are the best +EV choices imo. (Btw, if villain only raised a huge amount, I still think calling is a good idea, so you can escape on the flop).

Overall, it really just matters what reads you have on the atmosphere on the game and on the particular player. If the game is loose, and they've been tightening up, or are a tricky player, I'd steer clear of calling with 66.

One thing I've learned about this game is that, this is a game of choices and opportunities. I know some people point out shoving all in to protect your hand or intimidate, but I've read some of negreanu's books, and the one thing I have picked up is that, you always want choices. The more advanced player always likes having more choices. Shoving all in eliminates any opportunities you might have had to improve your win or loosen your loss.
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Old 10-30-2008, 02:56 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand one is 25/50, hand two is 100/200, and hand three is 100/200?

If I'm right, here's my advice:

1) shove

2) I probably fold PF. If you're completing PF, you should probably bet the flop OOP and then shove over a raise. Uhh as played ... I guess I still shove.

3) Is this a 1-table SnG? Is it the bubble? What are your reads on the BB? How active have you been with your raises? This hand depends on everything I just asked and probably more.

Edit: oops got the blinds wrong for hand 3. Fixed I think...
Yes, that's right.
Hand 3 is a 1 table SnG and yes, on the bubble. BB was raising every other hand. I was playing pretty tight, raising premium hands for the most part.

I pm'd you one of the histories.
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Old 10-30-2008, 04:13 PM #9 (permalink)  
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If you were playing pretty tight in hand 3 and raising premium hands and he still shoves over your 66, I'd be folding.

As for the other two, I'd probably call AK and see a flop, and shove two pair all day long.
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Old 10-30-2008, 08:20 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I wouldn't raise it to 3xBB. If he calls, the flop is going to come 2 overcards most of the time, and if you bet you're on a bluff, and if you check, you are inviting a bluff.
I wouldn't raise here with xx because:
It's the bubble. One shorty is ready to go. You still have a healthy stack. You want to reserve some fold-equity for when you need it.

A min-raise wouldn't be too bad imo - but this very much depends on the opponent. It also makes a fold to a 3-bet easier.
As played I think this is still a fold. You are flipping against most bluffs!

When you do these kind of raises - think about what your plan is to a shove BEFORE you make the raise. The 3xBB raise gives you very good odds to call the shove, but the fact that you are on the bubble makes these odds much less attractive. You really don't want to get into a coinflip here if you don't have to.
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Old 10-30-2008, 09:05 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 and 2 I agree with everything said. Hand 3 I would raise to 3BB and fold to a shove. Of course I wouldnt do this if i have a read that BB never gives up a blind.
In this particular hand I would fold to the 3bet. BUT, you have acomplished something important here i think. Next time the same situation presents(which is very probable), he will be 3betting you lighter, maybe even with some air, so you will be able to take advantage of this.
So if you are thinking why did i raise? i just lost 2.5BB!! Remember you have also managed to widen villains 3bet range(probably), and you will be able to use that for your profit.
Anyway, that´s what i think. Hope it is useful.
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