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villagenut

05-21-2010, 07:25 PM Post subject: 3 hand for review

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No reads on this villian
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($3.43)
UTG ($2)
MP1 ($2.24)
MP2 ($2.58)
CO ($1.99)
Button ($1.51)
Hero (SB) ($1.93)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, 8

3 folds, CO calls $0.02, Button calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks
Flop: ($0.08) 10

, 2

, 7

(4 players)
Hero bets $0.04, 2 folds, Button raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.16
Turn: ($0.48) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.29 (All-In),
Hero ??

Villian is 38/3 over 57 hands
was my flop bet wrong size or should i have checked?
as played looks like a fold because of a J or A with better kicker. Thoughts?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 ($6)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($2.05)
CO ($0.88)
Button ($0.77)
SB ($1.69)
Hero (BB) ($2.36)
UTG ($1.82)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, 7

6 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero bets $0.06, SB calls $0.04
Flop: ($0.12) J

, A

, J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.12, SB raises to $0.48,
Hero??

Villian is 62/11 over 52 hands
what is the proper action or bet sizing for value here
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MP2 ($2)
MP3 ($0.99)
Hero (CO) ($2)
Button ($2)
SB ($2.11)
BB ($0.97)
UTG ($2.20)
UTG+1 ($1.96)
MP1 ($2.65)
Preflop: Hero is CO with K

, A

UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP1 bets $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.33) 4

, 3

, K

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero ??,

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sven00100

05-21-2010, 07:44 PM

#2 (permalink)

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Join Date: May 2009

Location: Minnesota

Posts: 84

hand one.. I would shove over on the flop..
Worst situation vs top flopped set::
Board: Ts 2d 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.121% 42.12% 00.00% 417 0.00 { 9s8s }
Hand 1: 57.879% 57.88% 00.00% 573 0.00 { TcTh }

Against a Range... you are dominating here.. you have 7 flush outs, 6 straight outs, and 2 straight flush outs. that's 15 outs 47 46 cards unseen:
your chances of hitting a straight, flush, or straight flush are: (15/47) + (15/46)(1-15/47) = 54.11% unless you think if you hit you'll be able to extract more anyways. I like a shove here though.

the hand I'd be most afraid of is a missed hand like AsJs, but he shouldn't call your all in here either, if he did:

Board: Ts 2d 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.899% 39.90% 00.00% 395 0.00 { 9s8s }
Hand 1: 60.101% 60.10% 00.00% 595 0.00 { AsJs }

which still isn't terribly far behind, even though he's killing your flush, and has an out for your straight. As played, fold. you have only 16/46 of hitting the river harder than a pair. even if you assume he has a pair of 2's, lets say A2, non-spades you're behind:

Board: Ts 2d 7s 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.727% 47.73% 00.00% 21 0.00 { 9s8s }
Hand 1: 52.273% 52.27% 00.00% 23 0.00 { Ah2h }

As played, lets put him on overplaying a pair of T's ace kicker here..

Board: Ts 2d 7s 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.091% 34.09% 00.00% 15 0.00 { 9s8s }
Hand 1: 65.909% 65.91% 00.00% 29 0.00 { AhTh }

You would NOT have equity to call.. with a raise on the flop you can expect this type of aggression, but unless you hit, fold the turn here.

/edit
If we call::

Bet size: $1.29
Pr. pot size: $0.48
Pot size before rake: $3.06
Pot size after rake: $2.91

In order to make the call, we have to have equal or greater odds compared with the amt of money we put into the pot versus to the pot;
In this case, in order to make a call, we have to have over $1.29/$2.91 odds of winning the hand = 44.3% odds. I think if he is a reasonable player, we don't have those odds. based on his stats, it is hard to make that assumption.. we don't have these odds against TpTk, and if you think he's stacking off weaker than TpTk I'd still wait out a better position to get it in vs. him; as his range obviously still includes those higher hands.

sven00100

05-21-2010, 07:51 PM

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Hand 2: I would fold. That would be a gutsy bluff, and he has a lot of hands that hold a jack here, as he is loose. If he holds an ace he also likely holds a better kicker, just because yours is so bad.. I think him being loose here is more of a reason to fold than to call. If we're calling here, we had better be prepared to be all in by the river, and be assuming that he has air. He didn't raise so I doubt he has a high pp, completing from sb.. I'd say we're behind a vast majority of the time though, your continuation bet doesn't seem like a bluff here, so I doubt he'd be raising on air, even at low stakes.

Hand 3: This really depends on his post flop play.. Based on his calling in a lot of hands I would say he is a relatively fishy (passive, loose) player, and he might call a mid-sized bet here.. I would bet maybe .15 to .20 on the flop and try to get as much value out of him as possible.. there's not much we're afraid of, and anything we're afraid of, we still have outs to beat. if he has a high AF, I might give him a free turn to bluff at, if he does this, it really depends how you think you can get the most money in the pot IMO.. I have issues with these hands as well though.

/edit
Sorry I misread the pot size, originally I posted .06 to .08 bet, I was thinking about half pot, so this is more like .15 to .20.

EasyPoker

05-21-2010, 07:55 PM

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Posts: 753

1) Never open limp, raise instead

2) Call turn

3) Bet

[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb

Stacks

05-21-2010, 08:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyPoker

1) Never open limp, raise instead

2) Call turn

3) Bet

WTF?

(1) He didn't open limp.. He limped behind in the SB. This is perfectly fine preflop with a hand that plays very well in multiway flops, such as 98s.

(2) Call turn? He would have to call flop first, which he should fold. I don't like betting exactly pot. If you bet, I like $0.08 (2/3 pot) here I believe. I check behind some % of the time also.

(3) I agree.. $0.20c.

EasyPoker

05-21-2010, 08:07 PM

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1) soz meant limp behind...either way i dont think limping is a good move

2) yeah i meant call, i meant to but "call, bet turn"

[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb

Stacks

05-21-2010, 08:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyPoker

1) soz meant limp behind...either way i dont think limping is a good move

2) yeah i meant call, i meant to but "call, bet turn"

Open limping generally isn't the best strategy.. However, there are most certainly times when limping behind is a fine, and possibly best, play. Here it is absolutely fine. Suited connectors play well in multiway pots with high SPRs. That's just what this pot will be if we limp here. Whereas, if we raise we will be playing the rest of the hand OOP with possibly multiple callers. Not a disaster (especially on this flop), but I'd still rather limp behind.

Hand (2) - If we call flop it's because we assume he is check/raising with enough bluffs, or worse hands. I really doubt he is check/raise many, if any, worse hands. So it really depends on if he is bluffing often enough for a call to be correct on the flop. I don't think so, so I would fold.

On the turn, we basically only have a bluffcatching. If he was check/raising for value on the flop, then he isn't likely to check/fold the turn. If he was check/raising as a bluff/semi-bluff, he isn't going to check/call. So we aren't getting a worse hand to call a turn bet, and we aren't going to fold out a better hand with a turn bet.

About the only good thing a turn bet would do is charge any kind of gutshot draw he might have check-raised as a bluff (such as KQ, QT). However, those hands only have 4 outs, and thus little equity. Also they probably don't check/call a turn bet, but might bluff the river if we check behind turn.

Either way, fold flop, if you call, fold to a turn bet. If he checks turn, check behind and evaluate river.

ryokan

05-22-2010, 05:25 PM

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Straight

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fwiw id check behind in hand 2 rather than bet the flop.

Ragnar4

05-22-2010, 06:26 PM

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Hand 1, as played: Your fop play is to get it all in. Also having more in the pot on the flop makes turn play an easier call. As Played: Fold turn. Ickey.

Hand 2. Fold. Marginal aces from a stealing position hope to get it done on the flop. The re-pop is a committing re-pop and you aren't willing to go to war with it. You're outkicked.

Hand 3. Hero bets 1/2-2/3rds of pot. Hero is waaay ahead. This is one of the few epic situations where you can consider a slowplay, but I don't like it just because opponent is obviously mentally challenged with 62/11 stats.

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

ljove

05-25-2010, 05:41 PM

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1.fold
2.fold
3.bet

Fnord

05-31-2010, 09:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ljove

1.fold

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