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Mr. Bucket

09-14-2010, 12:07 AM Post subject: 3 betting short stack 2nl

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K so main villain is 42/17 over 12. Is this a spot i should be 3 betting or just calling? I feel like his calling range is still probably way behind me, but does his stack size make this just a call instead?

On the flop should i be checking to let him bluff at me or is that too risky? thanks

PokerStars Game #49578172363: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/09/13 19:00:02 ET
Table 'Nortia II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: edyhda ($2.59 in chips)
Seat 2: exotika13 ($0.72 in chips)
Seat 3: Donkafelts ($2.09 in chips)
Seat 4: Politen ($2.18 in chips)
Seat 5: RickIsBack00 ($5 in chips)
Seat 6: beartrap777 ($1.25 in chips)
exotika13: posts small blind $0.01
Donkafelts: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Donkafelts [Jc Jd]
Politen: folds
RickIsBack00: calls $0.02
beartrap777: folds
edyhda: folds
exotika13: raises $0.10 to $0.12
Donkafelts: raises $0.28 to $0.40
RickIsBack00: folds
exotika13: calls $0.28
*** FLOP *** [9s 3h 9d]
exotika13: checks
Donkafelts: bets $0.42
exotika13: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.42) returned to Donkafelts
Donkafelts collected $0.78 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.82 | Rake $0.04
Board [9s 3h 9d]
Seat 1: edyhda (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: exotika13 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Donkafelts (big blind) collected ($0.78)
Seat 4: Politen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: RickIsBack00 folded before Flop
Seat 6: beartrap777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Tasha

09-14-2010, 11:51 AM

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The first thing you should do is read this: How to convert hands

Then read all of this: Beginner's Guidelines

As for you hand, this is what it should look like:

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $2.59
SB: $0.72
Hero (BB): $2.09
UTG: $2.18
MP: $5.00
CO: $1.25

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with J

1 fold, MP calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.28

Flop: ($0.82) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.42, SB folds

No, checking would just give him a chance to make his draw.

Keith

09-14-2010, 01:48 PM

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Before advising OP to read how to convert hands , observe your opponents and develop reads. Crucial pieces of information are :-
1. that he has less than 10 posts so he is unable to use the hand converter.
2. SN in the hand history is donkafelts , which i reckon is a FTR reg , so why the change in name.
3. If he is an FTR Reg , no need to send him to all the beginners guideline.
4. saying this is how it should be done and then using a 2+2 format at FTR instead of FTR's format is a bit of a social faux pas.

As for the hand in question, I'd probably go on a read of how i'd observed him play . If he's a station pre and then plays fit and fold , since he's so short I'd probably just shove pre. He'll be calling with all his Ax Kx , smaller PPs etc.
If he's stealing lots or 4betting a lot I'd 3bet smaller giving him the chance to shove over pre. By 3betting half his stack its a no brainer that you are going to be calling any raise or getting the money in on the flop anyway.

We're ahead of his range pre so I'm looking to get the money in .

Mr. Bucket

09-14-2010, 02:22 PM

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I am not an FTR reg. I just started playing poker. If i was an ftr reg why would i be playing 2nl? My name may or may not be second hand. (why would i lie?)

and thanks for comments

Tasha

09-15-2010, 11:20 AM

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Before advising OP to read how to convert hands , observe your opponents and develop reads. Crucial pieces of information are :-

Quote:

1. that he has less than 10 posts so he is unable to use the hand converter.

I can't use it either so I go elsewhere and make do with what I can.

Quote:

2. SN in the hand history is donkafelts , which i reckon is a FTR reg , so why the change in name.

Well spotted! And a very pertinent question.

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3. If he is an FTR Reg , no need to send him to all the beginners guideline.

True, but it is never too late to learn and if he is a reg then apparently he missed these.

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4. saying this is how it should be done and then using a 2+2 format at FTR instead of FTR's format is a bit of a social faux pas.

See #1. At least it is readable.

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As for the hand in question, I'd probably go on a read of how i'd observed him play . If he's a station pre and then plays fit and fold , since he's so short I'd probably just shove pre. He'll be calling with all his Ax Kx , smaller PPs etc.
If he's stealing lots or 4betting a lot I'd 3bet smaller giving him the chance to shove over pre. By 3betting half his stack its a no brainer that you are going to be calling any raise or getting the money in on the flop anyway.

We're ahead of his range pre so I'm looking to get the money in .

This is 2NL and pretty much anything goes. But we agree not to check.

spoonitnow

09-15-2010, 12:29 PM

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Be cool.

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Originally Posted by Ripptyde

I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.

Rule # 1: don't ask questions

Rule # 2: don't ask questions

I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.

Hawk

09-15-2010, 05:34 PM

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Against a random microstakes shortstacker I'd just push preflop. I would expect to be called by a pretty wide range, most of which you are ahead of.

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12-04-2010, 02:55 PM

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couriermike

12-04-2010, 03:02 PM

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OP, I think you played it fine. Another option, not necessarily better, is to check back the flop since there aren't alot of worse hands that can call a bet on that flop, just pocket pairs, and alot of people like to bluff-raise paired flops. Of course the downside to that is an overcard could come on the turn. But you played it fine. With a flop that dry, you probably weren't going to win alot anyway.

edit:
of course villain made a big mistake putting half their stack in just to look at a flop and fold.

rong

12-05-2010, 07:01 AM

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Shove flop, take no shit from the shorties, their stacking off range is always a pretty large proportion of their opening range, as they have very small implied odds due to stack size, so if you have a big pp or AK, just shove it, they willl call with worse.

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Fucking. Retarded.

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12-05-2010, 07:37 AM

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this hand would be cooler if we were oop.

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