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Old 09-21-2009, 08:50 PM     Post subject: 3 Bet pot vs straight forward reg. #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is 18/13 ATS-20%, fold to 3 bet of 75% over 320 hands. He's on 3 of my tables and plays a fiarly nittish trouble avoiding game. I feel like 77 is going to be awkward oop vs a competent opponent so elect to 3 bet as a bluff expecting to win the pot a pretty high % of the time. He's been largely avoiding me on all tables for the last hour or so. I think he relaises I am a reg and am semi decent compared to the rest of the feesh. I think 3 betting as a bluff will be profitable a lot when he opens on the button.

Post flop, I'm just trying to fold out his pairs, he may not even call one street with 99-JJ here. I think he's straightforward enough to 4-bet AA KK, not sure about QQ.

On the turn I feel like a lot of his range is like AQ AJ and likely isn't folding often enough for a 2nd barrel to be profitable.

It's worth mentioning I had 3 bet him a couple of times before across the 3 tables he was on of mine, but nothing too crazy. I was running about 23/20ish.

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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($31.20)
MP ($25.30)
Button ($8.95)
Hero (SB) ($33.10)
BB ($7.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 7
1 fold, MP bets $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises $2.30, 1 fold, MP calls $1.65

Flop: ($5.05) 8, A, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.30, MP calls $3.30

Turn: ($11.65) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($11.65) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Total pot: $11.65

 
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 ya, I'd say 22-55 is a 3bet PF and 66-JJ are good hands to flat here

c/f flop fo sheezy dont really see what better hands are going to fold and you get the added benefit of looking like you're gonna c/c when you check this board texture in a 3bet pot which should keep villain someone in line.
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Old 09-21-2009, 10:22 PM #3 (permalink)  
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ya, I'd say 22-55 is a 3bet PF and 66-JJ are good hands to flat here

c/f flop fo sheezy dont really see what better hands are going to fold and you get the added benefit of looking like you're gonna c/c when you check this board texture in a 3bet pot which should keep villain someone in line.
this. if you wanna widen your C range preflop, then just add all sorts of suited trash with blockers to it. you don't need to take hands from your B range and turn them into bluffs.

and yeah, villain isn't folding JJ-KK on this board, and it hit everything else, so you might as well just check. you're gonna have to be able to double barrel a lot of turns in order to make a cbet profitable here, and seeing as how you checked when the 5 came out, i'm pretty sure this wasn't your plan.
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Old 09-21-2009, 11:35 PM #4 (permalink)  
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surviva: villain is 4bing QQ+
board texture is pretty sick because it hits every suited connector he would call pre and all pps but JJ/TT (since you block 77)

not sure if c/f is correct or barrel two
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Old 09-22-2009, 12:05 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Yeah I'm weighting his range too much towards TT JJ, I mean he can easily be defending with some other stuff. Mainly hands we beat and hands that don't fold so I think upon reflection I loke c/f flop.

Surviva - If I hear you talk about A B and C ranges one more fucking time, I'm going to go on fucking life tilt indefintely. I'd defo flat 88 here, I think 22-66 is maybe better to 3-bet than 77, idk just feel like he folds so much that 3 betting hands that will dislike most flops oop can't be too bad vs someone whos competent post flop.

I do agree with you that I need to plan this hand out more when I c-bet the flop. I think I dislike a turn bet due to there being a good chiunk of tp in his range, therefore I like c/f flop.

 
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Old 09-22-2009, 04:29 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Surviva - If I hear you talk about A B and C ranges one more fucking time, I'm going to go on fucking life tilt indefintely. I'd defo flat 88 here, I think 22-66 is maybe better to 3-bet than 77, idk just feel like he folds so much that 3 betting hands that will dislike most flops oop can't be too bad vs someone whos competent post flop.
lol, yeah. ever since my sweat, i've found that there are a good chunk of times where playing your B range aggressively preflop is good a lot of times too (especially in ATS spots). it was kinda an AHA moment for me, like when i realized that you can 3b for value and then fold to a 4b in a lot of spots without committing a cardinal sin of poker.

HOWEVER, i don't really like taking the initiative PF with something like 77 because it sees so many friggin' flops like this where it's got nothing but a 2-outer to his continuing range to our cbet, and even when he's floating, he's gonna win like 9/10 times. ABCD theorem aside, mid pp's and mediocre broadways (like KJs) just play better in single raised pots, even if it means playing OOP without initiative.

when we're dealt 22 in this spot, it's not super profitable to set mine, so we can go with the 3b or fold option. obv. if villain is folding to 3b's an exploitable amount then we can 3b and get +EV even if we do decide to c/f a vast majority of flops.
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