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Carroters
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01-28-2009, 03:20 PM
Post subject: 3 bet pot double barrell - total spew?
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4-of-a-Kind
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UTG is unknown to me and new at the table I just assume he's a weak player due to not buying in full.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($27.80)
Hero (BB) ($25.95)
UTG ($19.85)
MP ($48.50)
Button ($27.65)
Preflop: Hero is BB with J , A
UTG raises $0.75, 3 folds, Hero raises $2.45, UTG calls $1.95
Flop: ($5.50) 3, Q, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.70, UTG calls $3.70
Turn: ($12.90) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $19.55 (All-In)
Total pot: $12.90
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Stacks
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fold preflop imo although I'm not much for 6m. Few reasons for this. (1) Villain is unknown, and AJo is going to be a marginal hand (2) I wouldn't make a habit of bluffing unknown villains (3) Villain is opening UTG. Therefore he has his strongest range. (4) your OOP!!!
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nutsinho
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fold pre. postflop is retarded
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Micro2Macro
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You assume villian is weak because he bought in less than full?
Fair enough...but if villian is weaktight, his UTG raising range is crushing AJo.
If he's loose weak, he will most likely be limping rather than raising, so if he is raising, your crushed as well.
You don't have implied odds to call AJo against a dominated range (your opponent bought in short) and you're oop so your at a disadvantage postflop therefore 'outplaying' this weak player is out of the question.
AJo looks nice, but it unfortunately it sucks here. I'd just fold it and look for a better spot. I also don't like 3-betting oop with a marginal hand unless it is for the sake of defending blinds. I also wouldn't recommend 3-betting and UTG opener from oop without a big hand - unless you have some sort of read which would justify your 3-bet. If opponent calls the c-bet on that flop, you are beat and you will need to give it up here, especially oop. The preflop mistake brought upon postflop mistakes, so if you fix that, you just saved yourself lots of chips.
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Carroters
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Yeah I should really stop over defending against unknowns - jus feels like I play too weakly from the blinds sometimes. I put the guy on prolly 99 1010 JJ hecne the turn bet but yeah it all sucks lookin' back.
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Ragnar4
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Spoonitnow put it best (I miss that guy)
At the micros, if you bluff twice at the same pot
ur doin' it rong!
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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littleogre
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at some point don't we need to say to ourselves hey this guy might just have a hand and he isn't going anywhere ?
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HarleyGuy13
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^^^^^^^^
All the above
I have to ask should you be playing at these stakes? Are you rolled for it and if so do you really want to spew all your moniez away gaining an education. Why not drop down to 2nl or 5nl and gain an understanding of the game.
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will641
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i rarely 3-bet AJ, and 3-betting an utg raiser is always bad.
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GatorJH
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Originally Posted by will641
and 3-betting an utg raiser is always bad.
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This is soooo not true that it isn't funny.
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bjsaust
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Its not defending when its UTG raising, its basically giving money away.
Bluffing should be such a tiny part of your micro nl game.
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Just playing to improve.
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will641
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
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Originally Posted by will641
and 3-betting an utg raiser is always bad.
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This is soooo not true that it isn't funny. |
okay you got me! i meant with frickin AJ. i noticed it after i posted it but i assumed (and made an ass of out u and me) that people would get that.
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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Carroters
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BUMP
LOL I used to suck horribly at poker!
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celtic123
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lol , ^^^^^ thanks Carroters . great bump
I worked through the hand and replies before i saw the date. made me laugh
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Carroters
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jerriglasco
i was playing maxxpoker on facebook with worst hand (3 of clubs and 10 of hearts) then also i win a pot of $70k i was bluffing by raising amount the other player folded who was having strong hand then.they was having more capital then me i dont knw why they folded their game.but im vry happy coz i win the $70K.thank you maxxpoker. i loved that game on facebook it is very good game then all other game on facebook.
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csb
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crazywelshman
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Haha thanks for the smile Carroters... although I confess for most of the thread until I re-read and noticed the dates I thought you were posting one of my hands 
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PokerWiz
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Nice bump. Actually thought it was pretty new...
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TheLongGrind
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jerriglasco
i was playing maxxpoker on facebook with worst hand (3 of clubs and 10 of hearts) then also i win a pot of $70k i was bluffing by raising amount the other player folded who was having strong hand then.they was having more capital then me i dont knw why they folded their game.but im vry happy coz i win the $70K.thank you maxxpoker. i loved that game on facebook it is very good game then all other game on facebook.
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die in a grease fire jerri
as for the hand , looks like standard megaspew postflop. don't mind the 3 bet as a bluff / value but after bricking flop i 'd pretty much gointo C/F mode there, cuz like what is he folding ever pre that is worried about a cbet on that flop? vs unknown no reads , instafold
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Icanhastreebet
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can we lock this please so it can die
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kmind
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