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kfaess
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02-22-2009, 07:22 PM
Post subject: 3-bet oop /w AK (10NL)
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Villain is 55/19/1.8 over 53 hands. I made the 3-bet a little larger because I would be oop when he calls. How bout flop bet sizing and leading the flop? I think $2 will accomplish almost everything $3 will. Also, I'm not really sure what his range would be for continuing facing a 3-bet from the blinds, but given his stats I would assume it would be much too loose and thus exploitable with a c-bet. He also folds 75% of the time to a c-bet.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($11.95)
MP ($7.65)
CO ($10.10)
Button ($18.75)
SB ($19.50)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , K
1 fold, MP bets $0.40, 3 folds, Hero raises $1.50, MP calls $1.20
Flop: ($3.25) 8, 9 , 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, 1 fold
Total pot: $3.25
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kb coolman
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Standard. Not cbetting this flop is just turning your hand up.
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kfaess
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ok cool. I almost always c-bet in similar situations when I have position, but oop I wasn't really sure what we want to do here.
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Carroters
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Vs some tight villains I might check fold this flop sometimes, but a spew bag like this guy, calling your 3 bets light, will miss this flop with overs so much that c betting is totally right, nh.
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kb coolman
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Vs some tight villains I might check fold this flop sometimes
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I disagree. The cbet works even better against tight villains who will give you credit for a hand. You can easily fold to a raise or shut down action on later streets with a call. Just be careful where you double-barrel with a hand like this.
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Carroters
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Tight villains though generally have very tight ranges to call a 3 bet with when they've opened in MP.
My point is if we put them on a range such as (AQs 99-AA) or something similar, it makes no sense to c bet this flop since he wont flat us pre to fold very often on this texture of board.
I think auto c betting this vs a nitty villain would be a spew.
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kb coolman
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When you say tight, I think weak/tight not tight/aggressive. From a true TAG, I would expect a PF 4bet with your range a good portion of the time.
And against a thinking opponent, I'm rarely going to c/f this flop when the villain flats my 3bet.
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Carroters
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I don't think many tags at the micros 4 bet to get it in in this situation with 99 - JJ or AQ very often.
Flop depends on the dynamic you have with a thinknig villain and whether he has a tendency to flat 3 bets with small pairs or implied odds type hands. If he does it's a clear c bet.
Against the guy in the OP it's a clear c bet.
Against a tight player with a way stronger range, I just don't think we fold out enough hands. Plus we're oop and will have to shutdown on blank turns which makes betting the flop vs a tight range spewy imo.
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kb coolman
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Carroters
I don't think many tags at the micros 4 bet to get it in in this situation with 99 - JJ or AQ very often.
Flop depends on the dynamic you have with a thinknig villain and whether he has a tendency to flat 3 bets with small pairs or implied odds type hands. If he does it's a clear c bet.
Against the guy in the OP it's a clear c bet.
Against a tight player with a way stronger range, I just don't think we fold out enough hands. Plus we're oop and will have to shutdown on blank turns which makes betting the flop vs a tight range spewy imo.
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True enough. I think we're on the same page now.
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Carroters
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Lol yeah sorry to hi jack your thread with our hypothetical discussion kfaess. I think this is just one of those very villain dependant spots.
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kfaess
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agreed, def opponent dependent. against a player who is tight pf I think our action depends on their postflop play. even if they are calling with a tight range, most of that range misses this flop, so if they're going to fold often without a made hand then c-betting still makes sense.
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