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Schya

07-01-2009, 02:11 AM Post subject: 2NL Hand From Tonight

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How did i play this?

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG 50marian ($1.48)
UTG+1 delwing ($5.00)
MP1 cool32steve ($5.61)
MP2 nirvana606 ($2.59)
MP3 psicoper ($2.00)
CO freddiefrldr ($1.86)
BTN Hero ($2.00)
SB JokerChamp88 ($0.84)
BB Harrison57 ($5.24)

Pre-flop: ($0.03, 9 players) Hero is BTN

2 folds, cool32steve calls $0.02, nirvana606 raises to $0.04, psicoper calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, cool32steve calls $0.14, nirvana606 calls $0.12, psicoper folds

Flop:

($0.55, 3 players)
cool32steve checks, nirvana606 checks, Hero bets $0.40, cool32steve folds, nirvana606 calls $0.40

Turn:

($1.35, 2 players)
nirvana606 goes all-in $2.03, Hero goes all-in $1.44

River:

($4.82, 2 players)

okiman

07-01-2009, 03:05 AM

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Given there's a limp and a min raise and a flat call, I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with the 3 bet. Nicely played post flop.

JKDS

07-01-2009, 03:29 AM

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imo plenty worse hands will call the 3b so i think this hand is standard.

surviva316

07-01-2009, 04:27 AM

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Full House

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not sure what the question would be post flop, since the flop is an obv. bet and the turn is an obv. call.

as far as PF, it's probably easier/less variance poker to flat the min-raise and play for set value and probably more EV to 3b (don't even really know if this counts as a 3b) and take the initiative in a pot with a lot of dead money in it when we have a solid hand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1AhaTIHSs

<yaawn> he should have
<yaawn> minbet the flop
<yaawn> for teh luhlz

nish81

07-01-2009, 09:04 AM

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I'd flat it preflop, but I'm not sure if that's the correct move in any case. Would play the same postflop.

<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

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mbiz

07-01-2009, 11:40 AM

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id flat preflop too, but i play pretty tight (also 2nl).

what would you have done if the flop came Jd 8d Kh

hopeful

07-01-2009, 11:58 AM

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I would not have raised pre. It reopens the betting for all and you might get a re re re raise. Even the call pre does not end the betting so without a bit of a read on MP1 saying he will only call I would fold here. Its nice to have position but the majority of times you will be facing a bet into a large pot that has overcards to your middle pair.

The check call all in is a strange play, the 4 is unlikely to have helped he cant have check called with a pair of fours.

I would make the call and hope i dont see A4 diamonds, probably the only holding that agrees with such an odd villain betting pattern.

amir is cool

07-01-2009, 01:21 PM

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you're preflop line is good. abuse the hell out of that button.

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I would not have raised pre. It reopens the betting for all and you might get a re re re raise.

if this happens and you are up against a powerhouse such (AA, KK, QQ, maybe JJ) and you hit your set, you're stacking villain 100% of the time.

should you bet this flop? absolutely. you get paid off by all the Kx, Jx, AQ, A10, and random flush draws.

bet .45 or .50 on the flop so your stack is set up for a pot sized shove on a blank turn.

on the turn instacall and hope for a blank river.

i don't care about the river and you should have blanked it out. you made the right decision and you shouldn't be results oriented.

JKDS

07-01-2009, 07:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mbiz

what would you have done if the flop came Jd 8d Kh

what if the flop came 222? 592? KJQmono?

it really doesnt matter. we have a large amount of equity vs their 3b (really its just a bet) calling ranges and can position rape anyone so that we lose the least on bad boards and gain the most on good boards.

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what hands limp/minraise/call a minraise? how many of those are likely to 4b oop? and wats that about folding? never fold ldo

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the majority of times you will be facing a bet into a large pot that has overcards

if we raise and take the initiative, we will rarely, if ever, be facing a donk bet.

littleogre

07-01-2009, 08:12 PM

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3-betting preflop is standard

littleogre

07-01-2009, 08:16 PM

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Full House

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some of you are way to nitty

surviva316

07-01-2009, 08:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by littleogre

3-betting preflop is standard

wellllll i wouldn't word it quite like that. "3-betting" in this exact scenario (which is not at all a standard scenario) is standard, but like JKDS and i have both said this isn't really a 3b. the fish's min PFR like doesn't count as a bet and none of the other fish are gonna treat it like a PFR, so we're not dealing with 3b continuing ranges and all that crap. our bet is basically just a big PFR that was justified by a couple of other "big limps" you might call it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1AhaTIHSs

<yaawn> he should have
<yaawn> minbet the flop
<yaawn> for teh luhlz

Parasurama

07-01-2009, 11:42 PM

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3betting is bad because people's calling ranges do pretty well against 99. If you don't flop a set and there's an over (J for example) you'll be cbetting repping a relatively narrow value range while your hand has little equity.

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