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Old 07-18-2009, 09:17 AM     Post subject: 2nl bet TPTK on v. wet turn? #1 (permalink)  
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SB is 27/15 and rather aggressive postflop
CO (preflop raiser) is 35/15 and aggressive postflop when he has a hand, otherwise not much really
UTG and MP1 are unknowns

so on the turn, I think that no-one has a 7x or a Qx or it'd be bet here, (the advantages of being IP..)
so I think that I'm ahead, and should bet my hand for..protection and value? protection from people drawing to a straight or flush, and value from draws (i'm not sure if my reasoning is right here). a combo gutshot/flush draw has 9+3=12 outs, so a 24% chance of making their hand on the river. if i make a psb, they have to put in 33% of the money with only a 24% chance of making their hand.

but i realised that this only really applies for HU situations right? since this is a 5way pot, if even one person calls, the others with draws might have good enough odds to justify the call. but am I still able to bet for value here from draws?



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MP2 ($2.94)
CO ($1.03)
Hero (Button) ($2.87)
SB ($3.33)
BB ($2)
UTG ($0.94)
UTG+1 ($1.85)
MP1 ($1.63)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, CO bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.04, MP1 calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.32) 10, 8, 9 (5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.32) J (5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.32, 2 folds, MP1 calls $0.32, 1 fold

River: ($0.96) 10 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $0.96 | Rake: $0
<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

JR: lets do it JUAN
JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds
 
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Old 07-18-2009, 10:43 AM #2 (permalink)  
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on the turn card, every straight draw completes. in a 5 way pot your hand is close to completely worthless. just check and hope to get to showdown
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Old 07-18-2009, 11:16 AM #3 (permalink)  
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on the turn card, every straight draw completes. in a 5 way pot your hand is close to completely worthless. just check and hope to get to showdown
I figured that since no-one bet, no-one had a straight on the turn. But I suppose that with so many villains, it's useless to try and get value from people still drawing on the turn?
<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

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Why don't you just fold pre?
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Why don't you just fold pre?
AJ has alot of equity against a 35/15's opening range into a limped pot, and we also are in position so a fold is really nitty. I'd probably 3b because most villains would continue fairly wide, but a call is fine
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Why don't you just fold pre?
AJ has alot of equity against a 35/15's opening range into a limped pot, and we also are in position so a fold is really nitty. I'd probably 3b because most villains would continue fairly wide, but a call is fine
I think 4 way pots @ 2nl, IP or not suck pretty bad for AJo. I think @ 2nl it's the same as a limped pot. 3b maybe, but not call., theres just so many better spots to play @ 2nl, I only say this because It will almost certainly be 4 way or better.

EDIT: Note, villain only raised to 3x, so limping villains and blinds only have to call "four cents"....
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Why don't you just fold pre?
AJ has alot of equity against a 35/15's opening range into a limped pot, and we also are in position so a fold is really nitty. I'd probably 3b because most villains would continue fairly wide, but a call is fine
I think 4 way pots @ 2nl, IP or not suck pretty bad for AJo. I think @ 2nl it's the same as a limped pot. 3b maybe, but not call., theres just so many better spots to play @ 2nl, I only say this because It will almost certainly be 4 way or better.

EDIT: Note, villain only raised to 3x, so limping villains and blinds only have to call "four cents"....
Ah. so 3b would be to isolate, and i could be ahead of CO's 3b flatting range. plus I'm IP. as played the turn bet is wrong?
<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

JR: lets do it JUAN
JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds
 
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Old 07-19-2009, 02:41 AM #9 (permalink)  
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IMO with that many villians in the hand a bet here for value is wrong. You have 0 value IF you play the board not your hand, which is what i would do in this situation. I could be wrong -Flame on- But i do agree with the 3bet PRF IP. But i do think betting that turn is just pissing money away.
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