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Belt
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10-22-2009, 11:39 PM
Post subject: 2NL, AA against maniac. Do I have to call this?
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Istanbul
Posts: 95
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Villain is 47/26 (about 400 hands) and is not positionally aware. He plays the same range from every position. Limps too much, calls too much, 3bets too much and rarely folds to 3bets... Also he is very aggressive post flop. Your standart maniac in other words.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($2.88)
SB ($4.04)
BB ($1.87)
UTG ($2.01)
Hero (UTG+1) ($4.61)
MP1 ($1.33)
MP2 ($0.78)
CO ($6.72)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A , A
1 fold, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.08, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.18, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.56, 1 fold, SB calls $0.38
- As I stated above I assume his 4bet calling range is still wide here but since he didn't 5bet I think I can exclude AA,KK from his range.
Flop: ($1.22) Q, K , 10 (2 players)
SB bets $3.48 (All-In), Hero?
- His flop Agg% is 54% and flop AF is 6. With these stats I put him on a range of TT-QQ, AK, AJs although I can't be sure of AK and why in the hell should someone push with AJ here...
Do I have to call this? And can you criticize my range assumption?
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Keith
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10-23-2009, 01:08 AM
Post subject: Re: 2NL, AA against maniac. Do I have to call this?
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,336
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Belt
Villain is 47/26 (about 400 hands) and is not positionally aware. He plays the same range from every position. Limps too much, calls too much, 3bets too much and rarely folds to 3bets... Also he is very aggressive post flop.Your standart maniac in other words.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($2.88)
SB ($4.04)
BB ($1.87)
UTG ($2.01)
Hero (UTG+1) ($4.61)
MP1 ($1.33)
MP2 ($0.78)
CO ($6.72)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A , A
1 fold, Hero bets $0.08, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.08, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.18, 1 fold, Hero shoves
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- no need to worry about his post flop agression now and this particular villain is likely to be calling at 2NL.
Hero still has outs even if behind
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- His flop Agg% is 54% and flop AF is 6. With these stats I put him on a range of TT-QQ, AK, AJs although I can't be sure of AK and why in the hell should someone push with AJ here...
Do I have to call this? And can you criticize my range assumption?
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I think you have his range way to tight . Theres a big pot there and they are going to push you off it.
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aslectic
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Join Date: Sep 2009
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I wouldn't fold this against a maniac it does hit his range alot but there are a ton of pair/straight draw and just 1 pair hands he's shoving in and maybve even doing something stupid to 88-99 and even if he has 2 pair you have alot of outs. Also I dont understand if his flop aggro is over 50% how can you put him on a range of almost olny sets?
I put a pretty conservative range into PS even adding aj and j9 which i doubt he open ships with you're still 51% verse his range.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.392% 49.50% 01.89% 62239 2376.00 { AdAh }
Hand 1: 48.608% 46.72% 01.89% 58739 2376.00 { TT+, AJs+, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, AJo+, K9o+, QTo+, J9o+ }
Think i got all his hands in there
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aslectic
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 16
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SOOOOOOOO what did he have?
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Parasurama
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: DMT
Posts: 820
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He's shoving so much pair+sd hands (and you have blockers to one of the sd's) and you have lots of outs against 2pr and nut outs against anything so I don't even know why you would consider folding
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sarbox68
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: wondering where the 3 extra chairs at my 6max table came from
Posts: 871
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Call and FYL when he shows down KT...
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Belt
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Istanbul
Posts: 95
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Thank you all guys. Everybody seem to agree that his range is wider than i think and that makes sense. And the wider the range, easier to call of course.
About shoving pre for more than 200BB... Yes he rarely folds to 3bets but still i can't understand why we force villain for the right decesion? I choosed that bet size so that the money would be in by the turn.
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Hoopy
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Riverballs
Posts: 777
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Pre flop is fine as shoving will likely make him fold some hands that you will get value from later.
On the flop you have outs + he does this with quite a few hands other than the nuts so call.
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