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Hand 1 - first hand on table, no reads Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com UTG+1 ($0.37) MP1 ($2) MP2 ($1.29) CO ($2.04) Button ($2.05) SB ($2.01) Hero (BB) ($2) UTG ($1.26) Preflop: Hero is BB with 8  , Q UTG calls $0.02, 5 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks Flop: ($0.06) 3 , Q, 6 (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $0.05, UTG calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.20, I know it probably an easy fold, but should I be betting this flop at all, I know nothing about the players, is it a check call. As played I can't see any competent player, doing that raise with anything I have beat apart from 45h which is a favourite I think??? Hand 2 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com MP1 ($0.20) MP2 ($2) CO ($0.47) Button ($2) SB ($2.36) Hero (BB) ($1.95) UTG ($0.48) UTG+1 ($1.30) Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 , 10UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 5 folds, Hero checks Flop: ($0.07) 9  , 10, 2 (3 players)Hero checks, UTG bets $0.02, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.02 Turn: ($0.11) K (2 players)Hero checks, UTG checks River: ($0.11) 4  (2 players)Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold Total pot: $0.11 | Rake: $0 Results below: Hero didn't show 6 , 10 (nothing).Outcome: Hero won $0.11 I have just put this up, as I played flop, and turn pretty passively, and I thought for a while about making this river bet, I thought a 9 might call thinking I only had a club, like A9, or even the A of clubs might call me down to "keep me honest". Should I of checked or is this "value bet" ok? Hand 3 - argghhhh I wanted to raise this pre-flop but I didn't have the balls with the two limpers plus the sb, Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com MP1 ($2) MP2 ($2.57) MP3 ($1.07) CO ($3.20) Button ($2.90) SB ($3.20) Hero (BB) ($1.99) UTG ($0.30) UTG+1 ($0.44) Preflop: Hero is BB with K , Q1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks Flop: ($0.08) 4 , K, 7 (4 players)SB checks, Hero bets $0.06, UTG+1 raises to $0.12, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06 Turn: ($0.32) 4 (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 checks River: ($0.32) 5 (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10 Total pot: $0.52 | Rake: $0.03 Hadn't seen villian min raise before, so I didn't know what it meant but I deep down I knew I was beat. I am a pay off wizard  but seriously is flop a fold or is that a call and river a fold?
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| altruist |
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Hand 1 - Only three players to the flop, and no one has shown any preflop strength. Betting is fine. Check/calling is actually fine too. Against a raise, you may actually still be ahead, this is 2NL and players may be doing this with hands from anything from queen two to queen ace. But since you don't have a strong kicker, folding is the better move. You're going to end up paying off hands like QT or two pair too often. Overall, as played, I say you played it fine. That said, if you were to c/c or c/f, that would be fine too. Hand 2 - There's nothing on the river even bad cash players are going to call you with that isn't way ahead on this scary a board. If he has a nine, he now has third pair on a flush board with a king out there. Not the time to value bet. He probably has a club himself. But say he had a king of clubs, and decided to check the turn, or a set scared of the flush, you could just be paying him off. At 2NL people also play anything, if he happened to have a hand like K4, with one club, you're likely just paying him off. The main thing to realize here is, against his calling range, you're often behind and ahead of nothing. If you made two pair on the otherhand, I'd value bet despite there being a flush possible. Hand 3 - Two limpers is exactly the reason you should be raising preflop. KQo is not a good multiway hand. You want to raise opponents out and be heads up more often than not. The more limpers, the more happy you should be to raise the hand. Two reasons: 1. No one has shown strength, as they've limped. 2. There's a lot of possible 'dead money' you can gain by raising other opponents out. Try plotting KQ against 3 other hands, no matter how weak they are, then try plotting KQ against just one. See how your equity goes way up. Now the flop. It's an unraised pot, so there's not a lot of money in it, no reason to be defending your hand. While he makes a min raise on the flop, you don't have many outs, assuming he has a set, you're practically drawing dead. Assuming he has two pair with a king, you only have the three queens as an out. The only real hand that you'd have outs against is 47o, which if the board runner runner pairs, or you catch one of your five outs, you'd still be ahead, in which case you're sort of priced in. Flop you have to make a decision. Am I ahead? Am I behind? If you're ahead, calling is the wrong move, you want to raise to charge him from getting there with a hand like 56s. Turn, again, if you called, it shouldn't be because you're trying to chase a 3 outer, so you should be betting this turn. Charge him for his draw. River. As played it's fine. He's giving you 4 to 1 odds, so you only need to be ahead 25% of the time here. I like checking, you could get him to bluff at the pot with a worse hand or missed draw. The main mistake? You want to raise preflop. Calling with KQo is NEVER a good idea, the only exception is against someone who is hyper aggressive postflop and you have position. You're out of position here, and you have a good, but not excellent hand. Even against a hyper aggressive opponent, you do not want to smooth call KQ out of position. Why? If your hyper aggressive opponent raises, and the flop comes 789 rainbow, what would you do? Think of the scenarios, and you'll see most of them don't end well for you. This was your costly mistake. To re-iterate, the only time you limp KQo is in position against an aggressive opponent. The biggest mistake I've seen players make at these limits is limping strong hands, flopping marginal hands (marginal in the face of multiple opponents) and playing them too far. If you're going to go far with a hand, raise preflop. When a player limps his aces, then loses his stack to a guy holding 24o who hit a straight or two pair, it's not a bad beat, it's a bad play. |
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| stonyman |
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Hand 1: In this spot since there was no aggression PF you have nothing on how often the SB c/r I would let it go. Hand 2: You got him to fold. What was your plan if he reraised? Hand 3: I think only thing I would have done different is bet the turn. I really think a minraise is weak. He is a short stack so that is one more factor to look at when betting. How has he played prior to this hand? Have you seen him limp with PPs? |
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| Vinland |
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Hand 2) I think I check river. I don't think your going to get much value here. A worse Tx might call but your hand is weak, just check it and see what he had to minbet the flop for info. Hand 3) raise preflop to about $.12 - $.14. KQ is a good hand to isolate and none of you opps showed strength so try and get it HU. Plus you are in the BB hand will have poor position after so winning it right here isnt a bad result either. I obviously dont know the villain you were against but you have TPGK and hes betting 1/3 pot. He has presented pretty nice odds. However if this villain has been really passive before, you have to start thinking what he may hold that you beat on the river, given his new found courage to bet at you. Did you put him on a range at all? Also, I somewhat disagree with Altruist post on this hand. If its an aggressive player that will bet his draws, then sure reaise flop to charge for draws. If its a weak player, at 2nl, I doubt villain is minraising a straight draw. I dont think you want to ALWAYS reraise in this spot just because thee might be a draw. Most weak players at 2nl try to c/c on the draw, not reraise. Just my thought. |
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| scfc_andy15 |
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| lol hand 2 looking back was bad, at the time I thought I was making an amazing value bet, but i am realizing I have a lot to learn about value bets and peoples calling ranges, thanks for the replys guys | ||
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