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Di`Vinn
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07-22-2010, 09:23 AM
Post subject: 2nd place finish 1.5k GTD
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High Card
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Had a really strong finish this is the most money ive won at online poker! excited to see my bankroll go up $350 ive been stuck on cash at .05/.10 ive been breaking even. i wanna increase my stakes to .10/.25 but ive been breaking even should i stay at .05/.10 or move up?
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Keith
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if you're breaking even at 10NL why are you going to do better at 25nl against slightly better players. Having said that if you now have the bankroll so that you have reached your rolled to move up a level, theres nothing wrong with moving up , just don't blow all your winnings trying to take a shot. Accept that you didn't earn our way up there by beating 10nl and be ready to move down if you drop through a a stop loss.
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Carroters
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If you can't beat 10NL, then play 10NL till you can beat it it, because a BE player at 10 will be a slight loser at 25. As it is, it's fairly easy to beat 10NL if you put in the work and effort, so try to improve your game until you see an increase in your win rate then move up. You now have added BR cushion so this should help psychologically. If you feel your game is improving then byall means take a shot.
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dranger7070
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If your BR is only at $350 AND you're breaking even at 10nl, please don't take a shot at a higher limit. Like Carroters said, a breakeven 10nl player = a slightly losing 25nl player. Work on your game, improve, cushion your BR some more, then make your move up the stakes.
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daven
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congrats on the tourney score!!! now move up where they respect your raises.
or, if you aren't stoopid - stay at 10nl until you're a winning player at that stake. Player pool gets stronger as you move up in stakes.
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StarGrinder
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Classic case of Jamie Gold syndrome imo.
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Icanhastreebet
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Move up, people will respect your raises.
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Di`Vinn
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well i put $100 on a UB on sunday and ive been playing .05/.10 and ive managed to run it up to about $250.00 untill i started to breakeven due to mostly this. I pick up KK run into AA or i have 55 flop a set and run into 77 and some crazy ace spikers on the river and random 2 pairs. but i never really lost money just broke even. so last night i was sitting there kinda fustrated with cash games so i figured id try a torney $15.00 + $1.50 i buy in and end up cashing for like $325 so now my bankroll is sitting at $575.00. Just woundering if i should wait for my hands to hold up and than move up or give it a shot i dont wanna go running into this and lose now that im up. My username is E36Coupe on UB
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Di`Vinn
well i put $100 on a UB on sunday and ive been playing .05/.10 and ive managed to run it up to about $250.00 untill i started to breakeven due to mostly this. I pick up KK run into AA or i have 55 flop a set and run into 77 and some crazy ace spikers on the river and random 2 pairs. but i never really lost money just broke even. so last night i was sitting there kinda fustrated with cash games so i figured id try a torney $15.00 + $1.50 i buy in and end up cashing for like $325 so now my bankroll is sitting at $575.00. Just woundering if i should wait for my hands to hold up and than move up or give it a shot i dont wanna go running into this and lose now that im up. My username is E36Coupe on UB |
you should probably post some hands here and don't move up until you know it's not a crazy heater
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DJJunkPauds
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Every tub it's own bottom; you have a big tourney roll, use it for tourneys. With $350, you're probably safely rolled for the $2-$3 MTTS, or $5 SnGs.
If you were to use the money for ring games, you probably want 50 BI (that's 50 buyins, or 50x100BB, whichever is the greater number) for whatever is your comfortable cash machine level, and then use whatever is left over to take shots at any level you like, knowing that if you bust your shot taking roll, you can always go back and grind on the comfy level. So if your easy level is $5NL with 100BB buyins, you're going to need $250, and then use your left over $80 to take shots at whatever level you can afford. Even $50NL, if you can stomach loosing $50 in one hit.
To be honest, I'd personally have more than a 50x basic roll, and go closer to 100.
But that's all bankroll math, if you're breaking even, drop down, and spend more time studying than playing, regardless of how much money you have. If you're in it for the rush, go skydiving.
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dranger7070
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Lol @ 50BIs for cash at lower than 200nl.
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DJJunkPauds
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
Lol @ 50BIs for cash at lower than 200nl.
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Why?
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Outlaw
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
Lol @ 50BIs for cash at lower than 200nl.
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50 buy-ins is plenty.. 100 is better for beginners due to the learning curve
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dranger7070
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Because its unnecessary. Why grind 5nl with $400? Why grind 10nl with $1000? I use a 20BI move up with a 5 BI stoploss.
There's nothing wrong with being a BR nit, but 50 BIs for micros is just retarded. I consider nitty to be 30 BIs with a 10BI stop loss fwiw.
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DJJunkPauds
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dranger7070
Because its unnecessary. Why grind 5nl with $400? Why grind 10nl with $1000? I use a 20BI move up with a 5 BI stoploss.
There's nothing wrong with being a BR nit, but 50 BIs for micros is just retarded. I consider nitty to be 30 BIs with a 10BI stop loss fwiw.
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Bankroll depth has nothing to do with stakes, but rather with win-rate. If you're absolutely monstrously crushing 1MNL, you only need a shallow roll, if you're infinitesimally better than break even at 2NL, you need a hugely a deep roll.
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dranger7070
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If you aren't beating 2nl-100nl for like 5bb/100 you really shouldn't be moving up. (More like 10bb/100 at 2nl-10nl) So I'm kind of taking that into account when I say I use 20BI BRM.
There's obviously nothing wrong with using a really deep roll if you're uncomfortable. I just think it's extreme overkill to have anything more than 20-30BIs for taking a shot. The worst thats going to happen is you lose playing better opponents, (hopefully) learn something about your game, and you get to drop back down to a limit that you've already beaten in the past for a good winrate with more experience vs. stronger villains.
If you take a shot with 20BIs from say 25nl to 50nl and just get totally outplayed and you have to drop back down, you now have that experience vs a stronger set of villains that, if you actually review your hands at 50nl, will make you a much better 25nl player since the player pool is weaker. And then you can move up with 25BIs or 30BIs and take a longer shot the next time you move up. Rinse, repeat, etc.
Pretty basic stuff. :/
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DJJunkPauds
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Really depends what you mean by "20-30BIs for taking a shot". What I'm saying is, you need an amount that if you loose it you're done with poker, that is super deep for a level you can comfortable generate money at. So, if I want to play 10NL, I need $1000. If I lose it, that'll be it for poker for me. When I have $1100, I can take a shot at 100NL. When I have $2000, I can take a shot at 1KNL (probably ill advised, BRM-permissible).
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DJJunkPauds
Really depends what you mean by "20-30BIs for taking a shot". What I'm saying is, you need an amount that if you loose it you're done with poker, that is super deep for a level you can comfortable generate money at. So, if I want to play 10NL, I need $1000. If I lose it, that'll be it for poker for me. When I have $1100, I can take a shot at 100NL. When I have $2000, I can take a shot at 1KNL (probably ill advised, BRM-permissible).
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wat.
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DJJunkPauds
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Quote:
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wat.
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'wat' don't you get?
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dranger7070
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I don't understand why you wouldn't just move up to 25nl with $500 and move down when you hit $375 (20 BIs for the limit, 5 BI stop loss), and repeat until you stick. Playing 10nl with a 1k BR and then playing 100nl with $1100 makes zero sense.
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DJJunkPauds
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With a hundred BIs, you're not going to go broke, but I think you probably can do with 50. Basically, what I'm saying is, as long as you're effectively completely insulated from busto at a lower level, you can take a shot with 1 BI, at whatever you like (whether it's a good idea for your psychology is a different matter).
If you drop down to 10NL with $375, you only have 37.5BI, which I think you can totally drop with 10BB/100 win-rate game.
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DJJunkPauds
With a hundred BIs, you're not going to go broke, but I think you probably can do with 50. Basically, what I'm saying is, as long as you're effectively completely insulated from busto at a lower level, you can take a shot with 1 BI, at whatever you like (whether it's a good idea for your psychology is a different matter).
If you drop down to 10NL with $375, you only have 37.5BI, which I think you can totally drop with 10BB/100 win-rate game.
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you are completely insulated from busto at 10nl if you move down to 5nl if you lose.......
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DJJunkPauds
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
you are completely insulated from busto at 10nl if you move down to 5nl if you lose.......
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But that just means 5NL is your comfy cash machine level, and not 10NL.
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dranger7070
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Your posts make zero sense. You move up and down depending on your BR. I.e. I start with $50 at 2nl, I move up to 5nl with $100, I drop back down at $75, I move back up at $110, I move up to 10nl at $200, move back down at $150, Move back up at $230, move back down at $150, move back up at $250, move up at $500, etc.
There's no reason to stay at 10nl for your "cash game" since your hourly is fucking terrible there no matter how good you are. Just move up and down the stakes as your BR permits instead of taking random shots at 1knl. -_-
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DJJunkPauds
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I'm not suggesting one take random shots at 1KNL, I'm suggesting one take shots at any level one can afford*, that one feels like one can beat, and that one can stand to go back and grind the money out again for, should one loose one's shot taking money.
*Affording to be able to take a shot a level means one can afford to loose at least one buyin, and be left with an amount of money that is enough to go back to the highest level one can beat happily, without ever having to drop down from it.
EDIT: I don't think $50 is enough for 2NL.
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dranger7070
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K, I'm done lol.
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JKDS
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Im not linking another 10 threads on why 20-30bi is recommended and why 100bis is extremely nitty.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DJJunkPauds
I'm not suggesting one take random shots at 1KNL, I'm suggesting one take shots at any level one can afford*, that one feels like one can beat, and that one can stand to go back and grind the money out again for, should one loose one's shot taking money.
*Affording to be able to take a shot a level means one can afford to loose at least one buyin, and be left with an amount of money that is enough to go back to the highest level one can beat happily, without ever having to drop down from it.
EDIT: I don't think $50 is enough for 2NL.
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how the hell is a 25BI downswing possible at 2nl??
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DJJunkPauds
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
how the hell is a 25BI downswing possible at 2nl??
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You loose money because of bad luck and stuff.
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Icanhastreebet
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DJJunkPauds
You loose money because of bad luck and stuff.
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No, just no, and just no to pretty much this entire thread.
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Pardon my french
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[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol
Problem officer...?
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philly and the phanatics
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lock thread please
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HarleyGuy13
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in b4 locked
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"You start the game with a full pot o’ luck and an empty pot o’ experience...
The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."
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StarGrinder
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[x] lol @ OP
[x] lol @ Donachello's image
[x] lol @ 25BI downswings at anything lower than 100NL
[x] lol @ 100 buyins for cash games when you're not a pro
[x] lmfao @ this entire thread
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Icanhastreebet
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DJJunkPauds
Really depends what you mean by "20-30BIs for taking a shot". What I'm saying is, you need an amount that if you loose it you're done with poker, that is super deep for a level you can comfortable generate money at. So, if I want to play 10NL, I need $1000. If I lose it, that'll be it for poker for me. When I have $1100, I can take a shot at 100NL. When I have $2000, I can take a shot at 1KNL (probably ill advised, BRM-permissible).
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Sorry had to quote greatest BR post in the history of this forum before lock.
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dranger7070
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Lol hice one yaawn.
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do as you please, djjunk. i personally think that 20 buyins is heaps for up to 50nl, provided you are willing to move back down based on your bankroll. think about it, you have $500 and lose $100 at 25nl, move down to 10nl where you now have 40 buyins. if you manage to drop 25 buyins at 10nl, you know have a 30 BI 5nl roll. and so on. what i'm saying is that in passive, fishy, relatively low-variance games (micros), i feel that 15-20 buyins is easily sufficient.
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Sabr1988
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First of all, congrats with the cash.
Next i would say stay at the limits you feel you still have to get a little better in, wait there a month mayb or 2, and then if u still got the bankroll to move up, then move up, my advice.
Gl. 
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