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BluffCheck
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08-04-2009, 07:36 AM
Post subject: 25NL Trying this table-starting thingie
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Like 10th hand into the match, no reads, except this is his 3rd 3bet since we sat down.
What's the best line here?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($24.50)
Hero (SB) ($25.43)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J , A
Hero bets $0.75, BB raises to $2, Hero calls $1.25
Flop: ($4) K, 5, 6 (2 players)
BB bets $4.25
Total pot: $4
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Fnord
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You're playing a big pot here, it's just a matter of how you want to go about it.
I don't hate a raise now intending to get it in. Fail that, I'm floating and getting it in on any turn card.
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Sam62
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I would fold - heres why: I put him on 99-KK, Kx, 10Jh or nothing. We are behind in almost every situation. We have 10+ outs but with heads up play there are more cards in the deck. I would fold sounds like their aggressive and will pay you on a less dangerous flop.
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Sam62
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I would fold - heres why: I put him on 99-KK, Kx, 10Jh or nothing. We are behind in almost every situation. We have 10+ outs but with heads up play there are more cards in the deck. I would fold sounds like their aggressive and will pay you on a less dangerous flop.
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bjsaust
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Advantages to raise/call over just shoving Fnord? You think theres a few worse hands that call or shove over than call a shove?
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Just playing to improve.
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Gobbatino
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Originally Posted by Sam62
heads up play there are more cards in the deck
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Omg more cards in the deck! Like, what, 58-60? Give or take?
I like shoving here but it's hard to say with so little history/reads, especially his c-bet, Aggro factor and frequency on the flop.
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Sam62
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Originally Posted by Sam62
heads up play there are more cards in the deck
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Omg more cards in the deck! Like, what, 58-60? Give or take?. |
Well if it was full ring your odds of hitting the a card you need is 10% higher .. Which is alot over time. Lets try to focus on productive commentary. 
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Gobbatino
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Originally Posted by Sam62
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Originally Posted by Gobbatino
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Originally Posted by Sam62
heads up play there are more cards in the deck
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Omg more cards in the deck! Like, what, 58-60? Give or take?. |
Well if it was full ring your odds of hitting the a card you need is 10% higher .. Which is alot over time. Lets try to focus on productive commentary. |
And how did you come up with that conclusion?
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Sam62
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Ok when responding I see the error in my logic. Haha That's what I get for doing this on my phone during work. I still fold : )
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BluffCheck
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How's this line of thinking:
He probably still has a pretty wide range here, so we have some decent FE if we shove, and still have good pot equity when we're called, and the pot is huge?
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
Advantages to raise/call over just shoving Fnord? You think theres a few worse hands that call or shove over than call a shove?
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because it's obvious as hell that you have a flush draw when you ship it in
some people will snap call 99 here because they think shove = flush draw
but if you make it just big enough so you can call it off, then it looks scary
hell, just minraise to 8.5 and call it off
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Sam62
I would fold - heres why: I put him on 99-KK, Kx, 10Jh or nothing. We are behind in almost every situation. We have 10+ outs but with heads up play there are more cards in the deck. I would fold sounds like their aggressive and will pay you on a less dangerous flop.
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folding is quite bad, we don't always have to have the best hand yo
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Sir Pawnalot
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Originally Posted by BluffCheck
How's this line of thinking:
He probably still has a pretty wide range here, so we have some decent FE if we shove, and still have good pot equity when we're called, and the pot is huge?
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This is how I am thinking too. Floating is a worse option IMO, because when we miss our equity plummets, and when we hit our FE is too high. Same is true for raising flop especially since its OOP.
Edit: Would you shove or raise with 55? IMO we should play a set and a nut flush draw the same way in this hand. I like to have strong equity hands in my range when shoving or raising here.
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Micro2Macro
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
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davekp2003
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Since you were the SB I assume you checked into him? Would a bet into him have been a better move here.
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Micro2Macro
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Originally Posted by davekp2003
Since you were the SB I assume you checked into him? Would a bet into him have been a better move here.
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It is heads up so the SB actually has position in this situation thus the BB lead out betting.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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davekp2003
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my bad, tough position I would most likely fold. But I've been running cold.
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wellrounded08
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Did I understand correctly when I heard that you are starting new tables at 25nl?
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