Originally Posted by spoonitnow

No this screams I went all-in now figure out a range you could be against and your pot odds and do some actual goddamn analysis instead of oh shit guys which button do i push here

Originally Posted by surviva316

i agree, except i DO think that the psychology is really important here 'cause wtf range do we put an opponent on who donks four times the pot after a PFR and a cbet? i personally haven't seen it happen enough much less have shown down enough hands in this scenario to talk about whether or not A2 is in his range or not.

if your argument is that this is a panic bet or an overbluff just as often as it's omg i've never seen a FH before!!!! bet, then your point is well taken and let's look at ranges for this idiot. and if that's the case then there are 80 Ax hands that we beat and it's tough to think of him having more than 15 different combos of 7 that make it this far plus AA and 99. unfortunately i don't have pokerstove, but i can't imagine that the small amount of equity that the AT+ hands have against us make up for this.

is that better spoonitnow?

Originally Posted by Sir Pawnalot

Spoon- your comment is retarded in two ways:

1. You spread hatred which is slowing the progress of the Universe at large.

2. "I just sat down at this table. I have no current read on the villian."

Without any reads you must base your decision on your average Equity against all players at this level minus the "good players" which never does this overbetting.

Thus we must estimate our E versus the average overbet amongst "bad players"

This can only be done somewhat accurately with good experience. Since I completed this level so fast I cannot make that estimation with good accuracy- but I would be dumbfounded if OP is not at a marked Equity disadvantage.

This is often a great call versus somewhat tilted players, but we dont know that.

2c and I called a genius retarded!! What a day.

Originally Posted by dejection08

I guess I could have made some analysis of the hand, but for me it stumped me.

Originally Posted by Sir Pawnalot

Analysis

a. The separation of an intellectual or material whole into its constituent parts for individual study.
b. The study of such constituent parts and their interrelationships in making up a whole.
c. A spoken or written presentation of such study: published an analysis of poetic meter.

My disagreement lies herein. We dont know the constituent parts in this instance unless we have great experience with the site and the player base. Therefore we cannot analyse it.

Its like analysing a German poem without reading it. If we have read thousand German poems we can reach a level of understanding which is at best better than guessing. But lets say that 600 of the poems you read were dull you can bet your money on the peom being dull.

If OP has limited experience he is entitled of asking which button to push because he cannot possibly reach that solution with simple deduciton.

We must base our logics on induction and as we all know that is fragile yet useful information. By asking the question he obtains more experience.

A poll would have been very interesting as this is a great way to increase the knowledge about these spots which can be very profitable or costly depending on whether your decision is right or wrong.

I agree with your reasong iopq. Many 7s here.