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Old 01-12-2011, 11:03 PM     Post subject: 25nl - T8s OTB running a bluff #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is playing decent TAGG - not aggressive enough, but someone i wouldnt term passive.
I only enter the pot as the caller is a whale.

Would welcome thoughts on all streets


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Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, 8
UTG bets $1, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.35) 4, J, Q (3 players)
UTG bets $2.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: ($8.85) 10 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.75, UTG calls $5.75

River: ($20.35) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero has to shove??
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:11 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I can't think of a better hand you fold out on the turn. once this river comes, all those better hands that called your turn bet are probably never folding.

if he took a c/c line on the flop, then I support firing away.
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 <m2mgrind> basically the hand was butchered on the turn
<m2mgrind> idk about flop tbh so didnt really comment
<Carrotz> yeah turn is fucking horrific
<Carrotz> like insanely bad
<m2mgrind> basically, we light roughly $5 on fire
<m2mgrind> and then on river
<m2mgrind> we're lighting about $15 or so
<m2mgrind> so if you hate 20 dolla billz

This ^^

One of the worst spots to ever barrel a turn. River is an easy give up.

 
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<m2mgrind> basically the hand was butchered on the turn
<m2mgrind> idk about flop tbh so didnt really comment
<Carrotz> yeah turn is fucking horrific
<Carrotz> like insanely bad
<m2mgrind> basically, we light roughly $5 on fire
<m2mgrind> and then on river
<m2mgrind> we're lighting about $15 or so
<m2mgrind> so if you hate 20 dolla billz

This ^^

One of the worst spots to ever barrel a turn. River is an easy give up.
Good with this!

If we shove the river - just for instance - should villain ever fold AK
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:31 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Good with this!

If we shove the river - just for instance - should villain ever fold AK
Should they? Probably since we rep like nothing. But will they? No
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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Should they? Probably since we rep like nothing. But will they? No
3 clubs on the turn?
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Old 01-17-2011, 02:13 PM #7 (permalink)  
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- Pre is fine.

- Flop is actually a pretty bad spot to float imo. I assume villains cbetting range on this board in a 3way pot is strong, so I would just muck. Also because I never expect a villain to fold TP hands on any boards in general at micros.
(If I thought I could make them fold it, I like a float + bet turn + shove river)

- I know others have said otherwise but the turn bet might still be okay if you think AJ is in there and you can fold it and you think villain would cbet some air. imo.

- Because of point 2 I dislike river shoving. The J is also a very bad card for that, but I dislike it on any other card as well. Maybe on a club he would just be scared and fold?
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