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Old 07-09-2010, 11:57 PM     Post subject: 25NL Shorthanded #1 (permalink)  
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Vil = 22/20 over 50ish hands 3bet % 15% but small sample size
3betting UTG open obviously shows strength,
plan was to let turn check through or fold to a normal bet as I'm against AK alot.
With calling such a small bet my range is pretty well defined as marginal holding so why would he value shove river? Also should I raise turn?


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SB ($29.91)
BB ($25)
Hero (UTG) ($25)
MP ($25)
CO ($26.95)
Button ($36.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, K
Hero bets $1, 3 folds, SB raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.25) 3, K, 3 (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($14.25) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3

River: ($20.25) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $19.91 (All-In), Hero?



Vill= 21/16 over 200hands 2% 3bet
River plan?
Value in betting?
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UTG ($9.25)
Hero (MP) ($25)
CO ($25.41)
Button ($26.43)
SB ($30.23)
BB ($25.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q, A
1 fold, Hero bets $1, CO calls $1, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 7, 9, A (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

Turn: ($6.35) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, CO calls $5

River: ($16.35) 3 (2 players)
Hero?




vill= 33/14 over 40ish hands
Is this too nitty?
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Hero (SB) ($30.59)
BB ($25)
UTG ($43.20)
MP ($25)
CO ($17.50)
Button ($34.83)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 10
2 folds, CO checks, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($0.75) 6, 8, K (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.75) 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50

River: ($1.75) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO raises to $4, Hero folds


Fun Hand:OMG Deep, the vil is an absolute maniac, allin preflop with ATC.
Unfortunately I didn't realise how strong he was or else I could have easily over shoved river for value.

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CO ($31.29)
Button ($272.11)
SB ($25)
Hero (BB) ($182.46)
UTG ($25)
MP ($44.98)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9
UTG bets $0.85, 2 folds, Button calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.65) 9, 8, 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $2.50, 1 fold, Button calls $2.50

Turn: ($7.65) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button calls $7

River: ($21.65) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $21.65, Button calls $21.65

Total pot: $64.95 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and eights).
Hero had 9, 9 (full house, nines over eights).
Outcome: Hero won $61.95

I Checked the table about an hour later and he had about $400. Best table I've ever been at.


Taking shot at 50NL tomorrow, hopefully I run good.
Can someone briefly tell me what the major differences are between 25 and 50?

Also does anyone use leakbuster? and what are their thoughts on the program? minimum hands required for it to be used effectively?

 
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Old 07-10-2010, 06:31 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 i want to preface this by saying i dont know shit lol

but

h1 and h3 put them on ranges and refer to How To: Analyze Calling An All-in ...i know hand 3 is not an all in but you can still use it for that because its the last bet on the river.

h2- bet/fold amirite?

h4- what are the cutoffs stats? if he will fold to a squeeze a lot of the time i like to iso cause you know that the btn drooler is going to be calling with anything, this bloats the pot and makes it easier to get it in, especially as deep as you are. If the co is not likely to fold to a raise here then yea i would flat. As played its fine, if i was going to overbet a street it would be the turn, where there are FD's in his calling range and his 8x's that might not be willing to stack off if the flush does hit on the river (obv this guy is a drooler and probably doesnt care but you get what im saying).
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H1)Open fold pre utg, fold to 3b, done reading this thread after that because of how much its tilting me
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 its 6m newfish im down with raising kqo utg...def fold to the 3b though
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its 6m newfish im down with raising kqo utg...def fold to the 3b though
without reads on table its really laggish
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Old 07-13-2010, 06:48 AM #6 (permalink)  
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without reads on table its really laggish
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 h1 fold pre, as played it's probably a call
h2 b/f like 9 yes I know we only have 8 behind after we bet but a 21/16 isn't going to desperation bluff for an extra 32bb
h3 this may be a fold but crazy good pot odds and you probably don't know if he's capable of bluffing w/ a missed straight or w/e and he could have worst 8s. Also are you sure he's 33/14, he just posted??
h4 c/r flop if he's such a "maniac" bet bet. Probably overbets if he's a station once he gives up iniative
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no it's pretty std
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:19 AM #9 (permalink)  
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H1)Open fold pre utg, fold to 3b, done reading this thread after that because of how much its tilting me
did you even bother reading the first bit? Did you consider that its at higher stakes than you play and 6max rather than full ring. The guy is 3betting 15% I.e any PP and any broadway.preflop we're flipping against his range but we'll be in position against him for the rest of the hand.

Don't have his cbet stats, but turn looks to me like its small trying to induce a raise or fold out air or a hand like TT-QQ worried about an AK.Calling his turn bet may let him think that you don't have a K and let him bluff shove the TT-QQ and KJ,Kt hands . I think your good more than half the time and with the money already in the pot its a call.

edit: Is this a good spot to 4bet/fold pre to something like $7.He 3bets light and since OP opened UTG he'll have to put OP on a very strong hand.If he comes over the top then he's likely to have KK+,AK and we're likely crushed and fold.
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He isn't 3betting 15% v an UTG open. 60 hands is a really small sample and he might not have even had that many 3b opportunities.
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did you even bother reading the first bit? Did you consider that its at higher stakes than you play and 6max rather than full ring. The guy is 3betting 15% I.e any PP and any broadway.preflop we're flipping against his range but we'll be in position against him for the rest of the hand.

Don't have his cbet stats, but turn looks to me like its small trying to induce a raise or fold out air or a hand like TT-QQ worried about an AK.Calling his turn bet may let him think that you don't have a K and let him bluff shove the TT-QQ and KJ,Kt hands . I think your good more than half the time and with the money already in the pot its a call.

edit: Is this a good spot to 4bet/fold pre to something like $7.He 3bets light and since OP opened UTG he'll have to put OP on a very strong hand.If he comes over the top then he's likely to have KK+,AK and we're likely crushed and fold.
How can we assume he's 3 betting light over such a small sample
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He isn't 3betting 15% v an UTG open. 60 hands is a really small sample and he might not have even had that many 3b opportunities.
this will depend on Hero's image to the villain though. If hero has been folding to a lot of 3bets and will depend also on general betting patterns at the table.Perhaps OP can number of 3bets and opportunities to 3bet
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:39 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 hand 1) KQo i think you can fold pre.
hand 2) AQo block-fold 8 or something
hand 3) 8Ts donk flop for donkness. I probably call that raise given that you only need to be good about 25% of the time and that i think 3betting the river here is silly. You can raise it up pre-flop too if that fits how you feel like playing
hand 4) 99magic you want to get stacks in somehow. There has to be an overbet somewhere. As played, how often does villain have to call a river overbet shove for it to show >EV than river pot?
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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