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Sasquach991
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07-14-2010, 06:50 PM
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Villian is ~35/8/1 over about 30 hands. fold to cbet at ~70%
After flop call do I barrel? I expected a fold to cbet
river?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($15.53)
BB ($22.32)
UTG ($33.10)
UTG+1 ($16.25)
MP1 ($31.62)
Hero (MP2) ($43.58)
MP3 ($26.18)
CO ($17.55)
Button ($12.46)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q , Q
3 folds, Hero bets $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, 2 folds
Flop: ($2.35) 3, K, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1.25
Turn: ($4.85) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks
River: ($4.85) 4 (2 players)
Hero ???
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I bet the flop a little harder to price out hands like AJ, QJ and J9. Under-pairs would try to steal here on the turn I believe after floating the flop, unless he's kinda passive. After checking the turn, Kx is such a small part of his range that we can lead the river for value. Barreling kind of turns our hand into a bluff and puts us in a weird on the river spot if called.
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Assuming the flop cbet was to get value from a pair of 10's, another king is one of the best cards in the deck for you, but I think that it's too thin to go for 4 streets of value so i c/f or c/c that turn depending on bet sizing, planning on betting the river for value. We're trying to bet the most that 10x is going to call so I'd bet about 2/3 pot at $3. (plan your hand please)
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StarGrinder
I bet the flop a little harder to price out hands like AJ, QJ and J9. Under-pairs would try to steal here on the turn I believe after floating the flop, unless he's kinda passive. After checking the turn, Kx is such a small part of his range that we can lead the river for value. Barreling kind of turns our hand into a bluff and puts us in a weird on the river spot if called.
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We block them draws with our queens  . underpairs fold flop a lot and he is pretty passive/straightforward i think. Barreling actually turns our hand into thin value because he's not really ever folding better, but yes, it does put us in a weird river spot.
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After flop call do I barrel? I expected a fold to cbet
why the cbet then?
plan your hand
ok, you're betting flop for value or bluff or cos you always c-bet flops?
if' you're betting flop for value then you expect his calling range to be behind your QQ, the K turn actually means there are less hands in his range that have you beat, so... bet for thin value while his draws are still calling.
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Sasquach991
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The plan was to value bet every street. The cbet was only a little over 1/2 pot. I get into trouble sometimes on paired boards, especially with stations as I rarely put them on a range that includes trips. I really get into trouble when they minbet.
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Bet $2 on flop
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Quote:
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Bet $2 on flop
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Bet flop a little harder for value, his calling range is {Tx, QJ, J9, Q9 and some Kx hands} and since we have QQ and there's two Kings out on the turn his range is more weighted to Tx.
I'd b/f flop and turn and c/evaluate the river since I don't think Tx will call a 3rd barrel, do we think this guy will ever bluff missed draws here?
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Originally Posted by HoopyDude
Bet flop a little harder for value, his calling range is {Tx, QJ, J9, Q9 and some Kx hands} and since we have QQ and there's two Kings out on the turn his range is more weighted to Tx.
I'd b/f flop and turn and c/evaluate the river since I don't think Tx will call a 3rd barrel, do we think this guy will ever bluff missed draws here?
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how many missed draws are in his range?
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oh yeah as played, 6.5/f
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daven
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquach991
The plan was to value bet every street. .
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good plan, i like it. Seems you forgot the plan on the turn tho
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Sasquach991
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
good plan, i like it. Seems you forgot the plan on the turn tho
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Because of the "I get into trouble on paired boards" part. One reason I posted this hand.
I bet $2.50 on the river for value as all draws missed and I only lose to Kx and some wierd ass 2 pair hand or sets. Would you put AA in his range?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquach991
Because of the "I get into trouble on paired boards" part. One reason I posted this hand.
I bet $2.50 on the river for value as all draws missed and I only lose to Kx and some wierd ass 2 pair hand or sets. Would you put AA in his range?
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AA in his range liek 0.001% of the time?
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07-15-2010, 06:37 PM
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I'd b/f flop and turn for 2/3ish pot. River depends on villain. If he's river bet happy (rising trend as of late) I might c/c. Otherwise I b/f again.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquach991
Because of the "I get into trouble on paired boards" part. One reason I posted this hand.
I bet $2.50 on the river for value as all draws missed and I only lose to Kx and some wierd ass 2 pair hand or sets. Would you put AA in his range?
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Haven't read much of the thread but this is a good reason to bet turn...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gobbatino
I'd b/f flop and turn for 2/3ish pot. River depends on villain. If he's river bet happy (rising trend as of late) I might c/c. Otherwise I b/f again.
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As villian I raise your weak looking flop bet about 60% of the time and bet the turn the rest of the time with any two cards. If you think he'll lay down a weak king I think you have to play this more aggressively and fold if you get pushed back at.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bear Bones
As villian I raise your weak looking flop bet about 60% of the time and bet the turn the rest of the time with any two cards. If you think he'll lay down a weak king I think you have to play this more aggressively and fold if you get pushed back at.
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Sasquach991
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Quote:
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Haven't read much of the thread but this is a good reason to bet turn...
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What is a good reason? AA?
Why are we betting turn if he has AA. He's not going to fold them and all I'd be doing is spewing.
If you mean he has Kx or sets or wierd 2 pair then I'm still spewing.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bear Bones
As villian I raise your weak looking flop bet about 60% of the time and bet the turn the rest of the time with any two cards. If you think he'll lay down a weak king I think you have to play this more aggressively and fold if you get pushed back at.
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I'm not sure what the purpose of your post is.
Do you mean to say you raise 60% c-bets against anyone on this board? That's pretty bad, this board tends to hit the average MP PF raiser really well so you're only folding out a few combos with your weird bluff line.
No one is folding any kings here, I'm not sure why you think I'd think anyone would.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquach991
What is a good reason? AA?
Why are we betting turn if he has AA. He's not going to fold them and all I'd be doing is spewing.
If you mean he has Kx or sets or wierd 2 pair then I'm still spewing.
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No I was talking about the draws missing part. You can still def. get value on the turn. He can have stuff that beats you but not often enough to warrant a check on the turn IMO.
I don't get the "weird 2 pair" thing because we dominate any other 2 pair unless he has AA. Also, if you say "weird" and mean he can have a really unusual hand then he'll definitely have a lot of Tx or something else most regs. wouldn't have (ld0). But this means more combos we beat.
Basically, I bet the turn mediumish for value.
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