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Old 01-19-2009, 07:06 PM     Post subject: 25nl Overpairs are destroying me.. #1 (permalink)  
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Alright fellas, this may be a tilty post in all honesty, but I really need to know what you guys are doing in these situations with overpairs.... During today's session, I struggled with overpairs. Because it feels like I've lost a lot with them due to sets and made flushes and the like....but especially sets!

And I'm quite pissed about it. I'm 18 tabling at the moment. (just moved up to it) My stats are around 16/12 ish.... and for the last 26,000 hands I've only been running 1.64 ptbb/100...before that my average when 10-12 tabling was around 3.7ish for 86,000 hands or so... What is going on? I never feel confused or anything with the added tables, but maybe i am...(?)

This villian was running 43/3 over 40 hands:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($4.30)
MP3 ($16)
CO ($4.65)
Button ($23.50)
SB ($5.95)
BB ($22.10)
UTG ($25)
Hero (UTG+1) ($25.60)
MP1 ($25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, K
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 6 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 3, 6, 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.10) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.20, BB calls $3.20

River: ($11.50) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $16.40 (All-In), Hero ????

Total pot: $11.50 | Rake: $0.55



This villian was running 49/21 over 17 hands:


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MP2 ($21.25)
MP3 ($31.25)
CO ($23.90)
Button ($2.15)
Hero (SB) ($27.90)
BB ($21.40)
UTG ($9.05)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($4)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, CO raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BB raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($11) 10, Q, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $7, Hero raises to $22.90 (All-In), BB calls $9.40 (All-In)



This guy was running 15/2 over 54 hands:


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($29.45)
CO ($24.70)
Button ($25)
Hero (SB) ($24.05)
BB ($9.75)
UTG ($11.05)
UTG+1 ($12.40)
MP1 ($4.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $1, MP2 calls $1

Flop: ($3.75) 10, 4, 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $2.70, 1 fold, MP2 calls $2.70

Turn: ($9.15) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP2 raises to $25.50 (All-In), Hero???

Total pot: $19.15 | Rake: $0.90


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Old 01-19-2009, 07:08 PM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 2 get it in pre
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Old 01-19-2009, 07:40 PM #3 (permalink)  
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hand 1 fold river.

hand 2 get it in pre

hand 3 eaaasy turn fold, he has a set always here.

These hands are very standard.
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Old 01-19-2009, 08:25 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I have called so many allins from villain when the pot is only 6 bucks,and he shove his 15 bucks in on the river.He's not bluffing here.Trust me (Level 0 thinking,trying to make you think he's bluffing,but in fact he isnt).

with that stats of 43 hands and on the bb,his range is pretty wide here,and looking the whole board.we' re pretty much behind.

Hand 2:Usually AI pf.I guess no one fold KK anymore.

Hand 3:There is this one thread,some of the regs made that,villain who has a set usually raises on the turn for value.But fold here on the turn.I know its hard to do,but i've got burn calling those all ins on the turn and river.So avoid this with this overpairs.I went through the same process of 25NL calling this stupid shove when we are beat.

Seeing that MP limp,we can put him on pp(his stats looks pretty tight/passive)usually limping on pp or sc,but more on pp here.
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Old 01-19-2009, 10:30 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I believe you are missing out on a lot of betting patterns whilst playing 16 tables. These are some strong lines you are up against.

People know you are tight and only give you action when they have 2 pair +.

Poker is more than just playing tighter than opponents.
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Old 01-19-2009, 11:42 PM #6 (permalink)  
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did you say 18 tabling,wow...Everyone is just a set farmer anymore. I agree with Sirpawnalot, you are missing on alot of betting patterns. I think you would have a better winrate just by decreasing the tables you are playing. FWIW
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