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01-18-2009, 06:16 AM
Post subject: 25nl How's this play
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Ever since I've added this many tables, I've been questioning a bunch of my play. I've been running only 1.2 BB/100 over ~12,000 while 16-20 tabling for the first times. I really like it, but I don't know if I'm suddenly making more mistakes because of the increase in tabling, or if this is just variance kicking me in the ass.
Villian is running 55/4 over only 80 hands. He always limps/calls preflop. If wasn't calling may flop bets which is why I slowed down. I'm thinking that I should have raised the turn, or c/raised the turn instead of calling which is probably the worst option. I hadn't seen him raise many turns.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 ($20.85)
MP1 ($33.45)
MP2 ($31.10)
CO ($25)
Button ($63.75)
SB ($28.70)
Hero (BB) ($44.90)
UTG ($29.20)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q , A
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2, MP2 calls $1.75, Button calls $1.75
Flop: ($6.10) J , A , 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $4.30, 1 fold, Button calls $4.30
Turn: ($14.70) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50
River: ($27.70) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $8, Hero calls $8
Total pot: $43.70 | Rake: $2.10
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BankItDrew
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3 streets of value out of TPGK is good!
The only questionable play would be the check call on the turn. I play it the same way though half of the time.
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senorbum
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Bet the turn. The 4 changes basically nothing. Why check call here? People aren't generally floating the flop on a board like that, so you won't be inducing many turn bluffs. You are giving a chance for weaker aces/flush draws to check behind you.
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bigspenda73
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{from FR}
Don't like raising here PF, but that's a style thang.
Against this guy just fire the turn, why allow him a chance to take a free card in a biggish pot with his enormous range?
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senorbum
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
{from FR}
Don't like raising here PF, but that's a style thang.
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Why not?
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bigspenda73
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pot-control mainly, playing a big pot with AQo OOP at 25nl FR seems like a big mistake, and that's what PF is setting us up for here.
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senorbum
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
pot-control mainly, playing a big pot with AQo OOP at 25nl FR seems like a big mistake, and that's what PF is setting us up for here.
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You are raising into 2 limpers. It's not even a squeeze here as you have a hand that you should be raising. Are you really only raising JJ+ AK+ here? That's so wickedly weak tight that it amazes me.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by senorbum
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
pot-control mainly, playing a big pot with AQo OOP at 25nl FR seems like a big mistake, and that's what PF is setting us up for here.
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You are raising into 2 limpers. It's not even a squeeze here as you have a hand that you should be raising. Are you really only raising JJ+ AK+ here? That's so wickedly weak tight that it amazes me. |
what's your raising range here?
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senorbum
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pot-control mainly, playing a big pot with AQo OOP at 25nl FR seems like a big mistake, and that's what PF is setting us up for here.
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You are raising into 2 limpers. It's not even a squeeze here as you have a hand that you should be raising. Are you really only raising JJ+ AK+ here? That's so wickedly weak tight that it amazes me. |
what's your raising range here? |
AJs+ AQo+ 99+ KQs
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kb coolman
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Originally Posted by senorbum
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
pot-control mainly, playing a big pot with AQo OOP at 25nl FR seems like a big mistake, and that's what PF is setting us up for here.
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You are raising into 2 limpers. It's not even a squeeze here as you have a hand that you should be raising. Are you really only raising JJ+ AK+ here? That's so wickedly weak tight that it amazes me. |
Yeah, me too.
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Micro2Macro
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Originally Posted by senorbum
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
pot-control mainly, playing a big pot with AQo OOP at 25nl FR seems like a big mistake, and that's what PF is setting us up for here.
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You are raising into 2 limpers. It's not even a squeeze here as you have a hand that you should be raising. Are you really only raising JJ+ AK+ here? That's so wickedly weak tight that it amazes me. |
I don't think checking AQo in the bb is weak tight. Especially if your playing 10+ tables...you'll need some serious reads to consider raising AQo here (i.e. your opponents check/call raises too often only to fold to c-bets a high % of the time) since your going to miss the flop alot. Then again, I too like position and would prefer to play bigger pots in position rather than oop. Like spenda said I suppose it is a style thing.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by senorbum
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by senorbum
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
pot-control mainly, playing a big pot with AQo OOP at 25nl FR seems like a big mistake, and that's what PF is setting us up for here.
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You are raising into 2 limpers. It's not even a squeeze here as you have a hand that you should be raising. Are you really only raising JJ+ AK+ here? That's so wickedly weak tight that it amazes me. |
what's your raising range here? |
AJs+ AQo+ 99+ KQs |
so you have about 10 less hands in your range for raising than I do. Sounds like you're the one that's a little weak-tight.
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will641
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spenda while i dont know fr dynamics i dont see how raising here could be bad with a guy that is limp/calling everything. also c/c turn is baddddddd. just bet/bet/bet.
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bigspenda73
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Will you just saw how he played the hand postflop and you want to tell me to 8bbs was good?
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will641
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yeah the raise size was a little large but only by 1 bb.
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Im_new
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yeah, I think I'm going to stop raising this OOP, even if he's c/calling everything. He usally folded to cbets, especially when there was an ace present. Thats why I wasnt sure which part of his range he'd hit. It could have been a weaker Ax, JJ, 22, AJ and even J2. Seriously, he was limping just about everything. I preferred to c/call turn because I figured his range was more tilted toward something I'd never expect considering he hadn't taken many hands to showdown. Though now, I see that c/call on turn and river against this guy was pretty weak.
FWIW, he flipped over a Full house.... fours full of aces.... So this time I "saved" some money.
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