Originally Posted by Renton

martin i saw you this morning on party and tried to say hi but you were just leaving.

Watch out for Guardian_01. He is my roommate and sometimes he's me teaching my roommate.

Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores

I've been currently making the retransition to NL25 myself,and at one point was anywhere up 2 buyins to down 5 buyins to up 3 buyins to back down 2 buyins through 8000 hands.I think most of your examples are ok;there's not much you can do from flopping a straight and losing to a higher flopped straight;flush losing to higher flush/set over set/and two pair losing to set are hands you basically will go broke on hand.Post some hand examples from this downswing and we can see what's up;if you feel the need to you can drop back to NL10 for a while to work back the confidence(I might just drop back to NL10 or .15/.30 for a while myself to see what's up.

Originally Posted by crushednuts

looks like some crappy luck to me. If you get your money in with the best hand it isn't a fault in your play...Sometimes the fish get lucky and thats why they keep coming back. Stick it out and keep churning at $25 NL and I'm sure you will show a nice profit. I have heard of good players (a friend of mine who is up 19K playing 400 nl) dropping 7 buyins. Things happen and you just need to keep playing. As long as you have a sufficient bankroll ~10 buyins or so you'll be fine. If not drop back to $10 NL and crush 'em some more!

Originally Posted by crushednuts

I like to keep my raises around 4-5x the bb and if there are alot of callers thats fine, obviously if I will add to it a little if I am up front with a vulnerable hand. I suppose it really depends on what type of raises are getting called as well and what you want to accomplish (i.e. build the pot or limit the field). Also, A rule that I like to follow is to add 1x bb to my standard raise every limper when I have a hand that is vulnerable to alot of callers. So if there are 4 limpers in front I will raise to 7x the bb. This helps limit the field and get more money committed.

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

ya i am a follower of the +1BB per extra limper as well. i'm def. not comfy opening for like 6x-8xBB raises pre-flop though as my standard line.

Originally Posted by bair

this hand just happened, i usually get one of these gifts every 1-2 buyins. also i realize when i play 25nl i go all in A LOT, and i get called by worse hands like every time. they almost never lay down top pair, and will call w/ mid pair sometimes when they think you're bluffing. pretty much everytime i hit a set or a flush and face any type of resistance whatsoever im probably going all in by the end of the hand and getting called by trash.

***** Hand History for Game 4213063194 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 07, 23:14:58 ET 2006
Table Seaductive (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 7: jko1986 ( $25.40 )
Seat 2: ROYSTERXXX ( $16.78 )
Seat 6: This_1s_Mine ( $47.88 )
Seat 1: jarredx ( $7.44 )
Seat 9: redvw ( $24.65 )
Seat 3: ObservingOne ( $24.65 )
Seat 10: henrywoo_22 ( $9.15 )
Seat 5: oandpgator ( $10.85 )
Seat 8: tcsboards ( $24.65 )
Seat 4: stmonster ( $25 )
jarredx posts small blind [$0.10].
ROYSTERXXX posts big blind [$0.25].
stmonster posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jko1986 [ Qd Qc ]
stmonster checks.
oandpgator folds.
This_1s_Mine folds.
>You have options at No Maximum Table!.
jko1986 raises [$1.33].
tcsboards folds.
redvw folds.
henrywoo_22 folds.
jarredx folds.
ROYSTERXXX calls [$1.08].
stmonster calls [$1.08].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 6d, 2s ]
ROYSTERXXX checks.
stmonster checks.
jko1986 bets [$3].
ROYSTERXXX calls [$3].
stmonster calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
ROYSTERXXX checks.
>You have options at No Maximum Table!.
stmonster checks.
jko1986 is all-In [$21.07]
ROYSTERXXX is all-In [$12.45]
stmonster folds.
** Dealing River ** [ Js ]
ROYSTERXXX shows [ Ac, 5d ] high card ace.
jko1986 shows [ Qd, Qc ] a pair of queens.
jko1986 wins $8.62 from side pot #1 with a pair of queens.
jko1986 wins $36.14 from the main pot with a pair of queens.

Originally Posted by bair

it seems to me at 25nl overbets make the villain play the opposite of perfect poker

Originally Posted by Renton

1 dollar plus .25 for each limper.

Originally Posted by Renton

Your nutstraddling positions should be 1st-6th. On the button, cutoff, and hijack, play lagg as fuck. You'd be surprised how much more your AA/KK/xxx will make if you play this way.

Originally Posted by Lukie

11-handed games as fun

Originally Posted by Lukie

open your game up a little bit?

Originally Posted by crushednuts

Agreed. in 10c-25c I like to make it 75c or $1 on average

Originally Posted by saywhat2

Read the NL section of Super Sytem 1 or 2. Play tight. Don't waiste your time with hands like A10 Kj ect... You are much better off playing a hnd like 78s from the button with 1 or 2 callers than KJos.

Originally Posted by Renton

martin i saw you this morning on party and tried to say hi but you were just leaving.

Watch out for Guardian_01. He is my roommate and sometimes he's me teaching my roommate.

Originally Posted by "martindcx1e

i'm starting to get the impression that i've had very bad luck for a little while which was combined with me playing a bit too scared.

Originally Posted by vegascoop

I think the second part of this statement may be the key for you (and me). My PT probably looks a lot like yours. I beat the crap out of NL10 up to a BR of 500 with little problem. 18BB/100. I must have ran well over that because I'm not that good. However, after about 12K hands at NL 25, I'm only up 2 buy-ins. My stats are reasonably similar to what they were before, 18/6. I have tightened up as the games have, but mostly it's aggression. At NL25 passive play is punished much more. There are lots of players who are just looking for NITs like us to pound. Waiting for me to CBet to come over the top when I have two overs. Probably Renton, teaching his roomy to play. For me, I'm tightening up the small things, like not pounding everyone out of the pot when I want some action. I agree with Renton that you don't need to go pot. I win too many small pots.

That said, mostly I think its aggression. More specifically, earlier aggression. 3 bet more Preflop. Check raise more on the flop. Raise the flop more against the right opponent. I've been able to be fairly robotic or lazy at NL10. Playing the cards and not the larger game and players. I don't think that works anymore at NL25 and definitely won't at anywhere I want to be later.