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sarbox68
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11-09-2008, 07:53 AM
Post subject: 25NL fold or shove
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Bu is 33/20/1.1 and SB is 56/41/2 over around 100 hands. Flop cbet bet size okay? On the Turn I spike top pair in addition to OESD, but with that pot it looks like a check/fold or shove and I'm not folding this. Know 2pr are def in range, but also see other straight draws and Jx hands. Bad shove?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($38.85)
UTG ($25)
Hero (MP) ($15)
CO ($26.75)
Button ($26.60)
SB ($30.60)
Preflop: Hero is MP with K , Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Button calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold
Flop: ($2.80) J, 3 , 10 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, Button calls $1.80, SB calls $1.80
Turn: ($8.20) K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $12.35 (All-In), Button calls $12.35, 1 fold
River: ($32.90) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $32.90 | Rake: $1.60
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oskar
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Against spewy/passive opponents I probably won't bet this flop. If you bet, you're betting for FE, right?
On the turn they either have you beat or are still drawing + second pair, which you won't get much value from by shoving. I'd probably bet $6 and shove the river regardless of what comes.
I don't quite understand the reasoning behind check/fold.
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Do u buyin for 60X BB all the time or forgot to reload after a pot?
I like 6-.750 on the turn n shove any river better just cuz a lotta players will pay the 6-7.50 on turn with garbage hands and then pay the river cuz "priced in" but wont call $12 on the turn. With only 60BB ur left with making less difficult decisions.
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Fnord
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Smaller bet, keep worse hands in the pot.
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kettleofish
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^^^ But hero will be practically commited with any bet size, no?
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kmind
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Originally Posted by kettleofish
^^^ But hero will be practically commited with any bet size, no?
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yes which is fine because this also means villain will be committed with a wider range. If he calls the turn he'll most likely be like dammit now I have to call but with a slight overbet less hands continue.
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sarbox68
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Originally Posted by oskar
If you bet, you're betting for FE, right?
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Yes, plus to try and control the pot and avoid a PSB from the button.
So I'm already committed to the pot on the Turn. Bet a little smaller to keep the crap in, and then get it in on the river. Makes sense.
Thanks!!! 
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swiggidy
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I'd bet more on flop. Then turn is more trivial.
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I don't bet that flop 3-handed
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swiggidy
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Originally Posted by iopq
I don't bet that flop 3-handed
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Yeah, maybe.
I bet $1 pre. If I check to button I'm c/r depending on reads.
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jyms
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Don't hammer the turn. You most likely have the best hand, and only better are calling. Bet yes, but damn, nobody says if you are committed you need to fold out a Qx or AJ type hand.
I bet this flop all day. You have a hand, start building, but leave some room if the turn goes bad to get out.
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are you calling a raise on the flop if it goes heads-up?
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by iopq
I don't bet that flop 3-handed
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I bet it twice on Sunday. This ain't full ring.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by iopq
are you calling a raise on the flop if it goes heads-up?
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Maybe.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
This ain't full ring.
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Oh
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Robb
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Originally Posted by oskar
Against spewy/passive opponents I probably won't bet this flop. If you bet, you're betting for FE, right?
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Against spewy/passives, the raise is for value and FE. Hero has 8 outs to the nuts and is OK with K or Q. The flop cbet disguises the draw, and many opponents at 25nl (especially spewy/passive ones) will call it down with AJ/AT and worse.
As played, sarbox, bet the turn smaller and be ready to get it all in on the river, imo.
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