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Old 10-13-2009, 09:22 PM     Post subject: 25NL: Deep(ish)stack 1 card flush on horrible river. #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is 33/8 after 24 hands. I didnt see how he got his stack and I havnt seen him do anything really silly. I found the bet sizing really awkward here. Should we have bet bigger on the turn and got it in on any river? As played shove or c/f?

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UTG ($33.90)
MP ($29.60)
CO ($8.55)
Button ($46.15)
SB ($56.95)
Hero (BB) ($35.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
3 folds, Button bets $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2, Button calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.10) 6, J, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $6, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($16.10) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $9, Button calls $9

River: ($34.10) 6 (2 players)
Hero has $18 left.
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Old 10-13-2009, 09:57 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I would probably 3bet shove the flop. Being OOP it is going to suck and be hard to play if a blank falls on the turn. We're flipping vs his likely hands anyway and we are going to have some kind of Fold Equity also (not sure how much, depends on how villain plays - he may be raising to "see where he's at"). There is half a stack (50bb) in the pot by the time he's raised flop which is quite a significant amount and worth the high variance play of shoving imo.

As played the river really isn't such a bad card imo, I wouldn't be too scared of flopped sets. There is so much invested it would be so criminal to c/f riv when we only have a half pot bet left - we are handcuffed and commited to the hand. There are definitely worse hands he can call us with so just jam it in.
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Old 10-13-2009, 10:11 PM #3 (permalink)  
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140bb's is not deep

against button min-raises I'd make this 10bb PF

I'd check the turn

River is an ez jam
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thinking about the stack sizes... maybe another way to play it would be to 3b the flop to $12 (obv call if he shoves) and if he flats the $12 raise the turn will be $26 and we'll have $21 left giving us a reasonable bet size, and we could shove any turn - it may give more fold equity than shoving flop?
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 This is a weird spot.

I think turn sizing is fine since he's only really calling with a flush and possibly a set and this allows us to comfrotably get stacks on the river and keeps in all of the weaker hands he'll be calling the turn with in the first place.

Board pairing is pretty horrible since we've no room to b/f. Given pot size I just shove it in since we can't be sure he calls the turn with a set or raises this tiny on the flop with one (lots of fish obsess over protecting their hand.) and he defo has the Kc and Tc in his range. We'll run into a boat sometimes, but I hate c/f here when he can stack off with worse flushes. He's likely bad, so the board pairing probably wont be causing him to fold any flush he'd otherwise call with.

FWIW if the pot size is std for a 3-bet pot (no min raise pre) or we just have 100bbs, I'd just ship the flop.

 
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