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kiwiMark

07-20-2010, 09:38 PM Post subject: 25NL - AK on paired board

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Villain is 22/11 over 9 hands. No reads on him other than that he bought in as a half stack.

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem

6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($35.88)
UTG+1 ($52.88)
Hero ($25)
BTN ($40.33)
SB ($13.11)
BB ($25.35)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is CO

2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop:

($2.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn:

($2.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50

River:

($5.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.25, SB goes all-in $10.61, $7.36 to Hero ($19.25)?

Preflop: I don't think he's a complete drooler, I imagine he's calling here mostly with pocket pairs and good broadways, maybe some suited/connected stuff.. Something like {22+, ATs+, AJo+, KJs+, KQo, QJs, 76s+}

Flop: My reasoning behind checking this flop at the time was I thought I could easily get the money in over the turn and river, and if I checked the flop I was more likely to get two streets from his random pocket pairs.
Looking at it now, however, I see that I can't get it in over two streets without overbetting, so I'm not really sure if checking this flop or betting it is standard. I don't think I can get three streets out of, say, 55, but I'm not sure if I'm better to go flop + river and risk him folding 'cause of the ace or go turn + river and risk like a Q coming out on the turn and my turn bet looking like I hit it and he folds then.

In any event, I think he checks here with his entire range as I was the PFR, so his range going into the turn is still {22+, ATs+, AJo+, KJs+, KQo, QJs, 76s+}

Turn: I think I should have made this bet bigger. I think he's calling here with his pairs, aces and nines, although I really have to start discounting the couple of 9's in his range when he checks to me twice. {ATs+, AJo+, 22+, 98s-T9s}

River: He checks the river and I think I can definitely get value out of enough worse aces and probably pocket pairs to make betting worthwhile, so I do. Rather than making the call, however, he shovels over, which confuses me no end.

I need less than 30% equity to call here. I'm really lost about what he's shoving, though. If he's gotten {AA, 99, 66, 55, T9s, 98s} to the river and is now shoveling for value, I only need him to also have five combos of bluffs to be profitable to call here. But I don't see what's in his range that calls the turn and then shoves as a bluff here, since it feels like he's pretty much always got showdown value.

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Donachello

07-20-2010, 10:09 PM

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What the shit kind of line is this... Could he ever have 87 here? That river check/shove is just so questionable. I don't see how it's ever a bluff but god it's weird line.

I don't think I like your check on the flop though since you should probably be cbetting this with most of your range. I think the way you played it confirms this as a value shove however, since he could be correctly assuming that you check your As and 9s on the flop that would then bet for 2 streets of value when checked to.

[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
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07-20-2010, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Donachello

What the shit kind of line is this... Could he ever have 87 here?

That's what I was thinking... 87dd.

surviva316

07-21-2010, 12:28 AM

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plz god bet flop. if stacks allowed you to get it in on two streets then i could see checking 'cause it's such a WA/WB spot. as for when that's not the case (i.e. reality), it's debatable which line gets more value out of middle pairs and so forth, and betting all 3 streets is like 10x's more likely to stack Ax.

river's tough. i don't think either is terrible. i'm surprised if he's bluffing but i feel like he could be value shoving worse Ax's every once in a while 'cause our hand looks so weak and a fish is gonna think this is a good value shove. idk, that might be retarded though. folding definitely can't be bad

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07-21-2010, 04:03 AM

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Bet flop. He's much more likely to c/call his small pairs now, since everyone bets A high boards with a very high frequency, than he is to c/c turn or river. Turn/river can bring overcards to his pair, making him less likely to call. Plus, I assume you are betting the flop with most of your air, thus when you check back and bet turn/river you don't really have many bluffs in your range. More like marginal value hands that you pot controlled the flop with (or slowplayed nut hands), so it still doesn't make much sense for him to c/c a turn or river bet with say 77.

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07-21-2010, 04:33 AM

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SPR of 4 or less means you can get it in over 2 streets without over-betting.

And for fuck's sake bet the flop.

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kidsoldja

07-21-2010, 11:23 AM

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definately should have bet hard on the flop..

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07-21-2010, 01:51 PM

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07-21-2010, 02:59 PM

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lol bet flop, not because LOLBETFLOP but because you are going to be betting this flop w/ all of your air 100% of the time so you should be betting all your nut hands 100% of the time unless villain is playing 16 tables robotically and not realizing wtf is going on or leads his air after you check back flops too much but he's an unknown so I doubt this is the case so just go w/ what should be your usual strategy.

kiwiMark

07-21-2010, 07:36 PM

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Sweet, thanks everyone! <3

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07-21-2010, 09:12 PM

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Your welcome.

P.S. - bet the fucking flop.

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