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hangchiong
Old 02-09-2009, 12:20 AM     Post subject: 25NL 6max SB hands #1 (permalink)  
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Finally i have some time to post my HH.Ive been having some problems with this particular spot the past few session.

Multiple limpers or limper limps to me in the sb.Hands like small pp,we can defitenely limp along giving the odds for set value.

Hands like big broadways,medium pp gives me a headache to play from SB.We are OOP,i think im losing a lot of value out of my medium pp by limping here ( 88-JJ)[1st case] and AJs,AQs,AKs[2nd case].I might have trouble playing this hands if overs come over for the 1st case or we missed completely for the 2nd case on the flop.

Button is a complete donk
UTG is a loose/passive player

Hand 1:

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($9)
Hero (SB) ($24.05)
BB ($29.90)
UTG ($10.47)
MP ($28.22)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25

Hero?

Total pot: $0.85

Hand 2:

Button is a loose donk
BB is a passive nit

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($24.08)
Hero (SB) ($26.60)
BB ($27.58)
UTG ($46.61)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, A
1 fold, Button calls $0.25

Total pot: $0.60

Hand 3 :

Both limpers are unknown

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Button ($24.08)
Hero (SB) ($26.60)
BB ($27.58)
UTG ($46.61)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, A
1 fold, Button calls $0.25

Total pot: $0.60


Hand 4 :

Villain is unknown

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Button ($31.32)
Hero (SB) ($24.40)
BB ($13.26)
UTG ($12.09)
MP ($12.22)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, K
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds

Total pot: $0.60
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:24 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: raise to $1.5
Hand 2: Raise to $1, do that with a wide range.
Hand 3: Typo?
Hand 4: Raise to $1, do that with a wide range.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:26 AM #3 (permalink)  
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i think as you're playing 6max these hands are much stronger, and as there are only limps i think your way ahead and should raise for value, especially against loose donks, who you can outplay post flop even OOP.
H4 im probably limping and hope for strong draw or top pair, two pair etc, or throwing away. Raise the first three imo.
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Raising a tight range in these spots sucks because you're out of position with a well defined hand and lots of money behind.

Hence, the solution is to raise a wide range and expliot your opponents who are limping generally weak hands and raising strong ones. You will pick up a lot of money to pre-flop and flop folds. Also you will tend to get the SRP down for hands like big pairs and AK/AQ/KQ.
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Old 02-09-2009, 11:37 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Ill try to insert those examples into my next session.

Couple of questions.

1.I find it very hard to play OOP vs laggy donk (we-sb,donk-button).Nevertheless,i have position on him all day long which is good.I have a very low WWSF% due to spots like this because i am not able to play him postflop with tighter ranges probably wider range too but I am going to try to raise a wider range from the SB with multiple limpers and depending on the flop texture,try to take it away on the flop.

2.How would a wider range works? versus
a. limp nit
b. loose donk

3.With a tighter range with lots of value like AK/AQ/AJ/KQ,how do we play it from the SB profitably?
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Old 02-10-2009, 12:11 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Raising a tight range in these spots sucks because you're out of position with a well defined hand and lots of money behind.

Hence, the solution is to raise a wide range and expliot your opponents who are limping generally weak hands and raising strong ones. You will pick up a lot of money to pre-flop and flop folds. Also you will tend to get the SRP down for hands like big pairs and AK/AQ/KQ.
This is exactly what I thought about 6-max too. Although we have worst pos post, we have second best position pre. We would rather just take down the pot pf or on flop- than to play a multiway pot to a river. If we raise only premium hands, we get too much FE.
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:22 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 All of these hands have quite a bit of value, especially against loose players.

I would raise them for value anytime its limped to me in the blinds or against loose donkish opponents. With more reads its probably easier to play them OOP. For example, if you have a read on a loose aggro donk that he c-bets pretty much every flop, then either raise him pre flop or call his raise pre flop, and check it to him when you hit the flop.

I think your action mainly depends on your opponents. There is a big difference in what you might do with AT or or KQ in the blinds vs a nit UTG raise or a raise from a 70/50/3.5 button raise.
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