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Old 11-17-2008, 06:25 PM     Post subject: 25nl 6 max QQ #1 (permalink)  
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This guy is an unknown, all I know is he is likely moronic due to his betting on this hand.

I don't like how I played this. Should I raise the flop? Should I raise the turn?

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BB: $61.05
Hero (UTG): $25.70
CO: $25.35
BTN: $37.75
SB: $26.25

Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
BB folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 3 2 4 (2 Players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.50) 9 (2 Players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.75, SB calls $1.25

River: ($6) 6 (2 Players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:31 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I'd make flop $2, then turn about $5, depending on if he idiot bet into me again. You basically let a 5 get there with this line, and he'll call a flop raise with so many hands here. And if ur gonna smooth call flop, raise the turn more, $3.50 or so since his range for continuing now includes diamonds plus random 9X hands he 'got there' with cos u flatcalled flop. You should be able to get a LOT more value outta QQ on this board IMO.
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Old 11-17-2008, 07:37 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Raise the flop.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:30 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I would make the flop $2 to go. There is no way you should be smooth calling a flop like that. You need to make him either pay for a draw or make him show you that ur beat by reraising a huge amount. You should get a TON of value out of QQ on that kinda board.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:37 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Yeah I usually raise this flop, not really sure why I didn't. I think I wanted him to valuetown himself and didn't want to blow him off his bullshit hand on the flop but I agree that I should have raised it.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:44 PM #6 (permalink)  
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raise flop, expect a fold but to stack off a bunch of hands that continue.

CiB on the river!

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Old 11-17-2008, 08:46 PM #7 (permalink)  
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This might sound REALLY dumb but what is CiB??? lol
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:55 PM #8 (permalink)  
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hah click-it-back or min raising

I was just kidding because flatting the river is really funny in the context of the hand.

Obviously optimal raise size would be to $1.01

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Old 11-17-2008, 09:08 PM #9 (permalink)  
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o ic lol my bad. shoulda known that o well. shows that im still wet behind the ears huh?
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:18 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 raise flop and turn 100%
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:48 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I make it $2 on the flop pretty much ignoring his bet ATC
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:50 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 I really don't like 3bb pre, especially from EP. You'll get too many people coming in with complete crap so you'll be OOP multi-way.

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Old 11-18-2008, 12:20 AM #13 (permalink)  
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I usually do 3.5xbb and sometimes 4x. I think the BB sat out or something weird and it screwed up my bet sizing.

I had been raising alot of donkbets in the past but donkbets tilt me somewhat as they either snap fold or 3 bet and put you in a shitty spot if you are not prepared to stack off or they have some garbage pair plus shitty draw type hand and there are a ton of unknown scare cards.

Anyways thanks for the feedback I pretty much agree with all of it and I played this poorly.

He had 92 offsuit BTW. GH.
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:35 AM #14 (permalink)  
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He had 92 offsuit BTW.

I had been raising alot of donkbets in the past but donkbets tilt me somewhat as they either snap fold or 3 bet and put you in a shitty spot if you are not prepared to stack off or they have some garbage pair plus shitty draw type hand and there are a ton of unknown scare cards.
Alright, so his range preflop is ATC.

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12,585,434,400 games 0.005 secs 2,517,086,880,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.925% 79.63% 00.29% 10022031864 36897228.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 20.075% 19.78% 00.29% 2489608080 36897228.00 { random }

His range on the flop for donking is still atc!

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6,421,140 games 0.047 secs 136,620,000 games/sec

Board: 3h 2d 4c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 74.166% 72.90% 01.26% 4681266 81018.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 25.834% 24.57% 01.26% 1577838 81018.00 { random }

So of that range, what is he calling and what is he 3 betting?

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Old 11-18-2008, 03:07 AM #15 (permalink)  
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I think he is calling any pair, any oesd, most aces, any pp, and 3 betting 2 pair and probably sets/straights.

So yeah, if I raised I could have manipulated his range, but even so am I folding to a 3 bet on this flop if I raised?
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:19 AM #16 (permalink)  
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God damn, dude! Stack off if they 3 bet the flop! You're never going to get an edge in this game if you're gonna run lines where you put a buncha chips in then just assume they can only shove with your hand + 1 in value!

op never overvalues 99 enough to stack off? If that is true, being a nit means that you'll never crack these microstakes games!

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Old 11-18-2008, 03:33 AM #17 (permalink)  
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Yes I am saying I am unlikely to fold to a 3 bet and he is mostly 3 betting stuff that is ahead of QQ. Anyways I am not usually this nitty and I agree with what your saying.
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Old 11-18-2008, 09:17 AM #18 (permalink)  
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Raise flop. very drawy

Bet/raise turn. still drawy

Up to you to get value on the river or not. against unknown i may just check behind
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:39 PM #19 (permalink)  
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God damn, dude! Stack off if they 3 bet the flop! You're never going to get an edge in this game if you're gonna run lines where you put a buncha chips in then just assume they can only shove with your hand + 1 in value!

op never overvalues 99 enough to stack off? If that is true, being a nit means that you'll never crack these microstakes games!
You don't think flatting the 3bet and waiting for a blankish turn is better? You're still behind all his nut hands but his drawing hands got equity halved?

I guess there are quite a lot of scare cards for us tho so maybe felting flop is the way.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:12 PM #20 (permalink)  
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i would flat to keep his bluffing range wide if I felt like flatting would look the bluffiest to him.

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