Originally Posted by jungy121

when you say 8bb/100 does that mean you win 8x.25=2 dollars every 100 hands? and is vpip and pfr all pokertracker terms?

Originally Posted by BankItPayette

I think the biggest problem for players moving up is simply the $ amount attached to the blinds. If you think to yourself: "Instead of me betting this $20, I could be buying a 12-pack," you're doomed from the beggining. Think of chips as units, and get as many as you fucking can!
GL

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

if u beat 25nl and have 20 buy ins move up
period.

Originally Posted by Renton

20% to $100 10x reload bonus
if you clear it in seven days then they give you another $100 (no deposit necessary) for 10x. Catch is you have to clear this 10x bonus in only three days. Then if you manage to do that, they offer you another $100 if you can clear it at 15x in three days.

A fairly difficult task. You basically have to either be freak with shitloads of free time or you have to play at least five tables.

Originally Posted by Rabid Dog

Cool. You are a poker marathoner

Originally Posted by Renton

nah

10k hands is only 27 hours if you play six tables.

Originally Posted by SinkRox

You're rolled for it... move up! Set some rules i.e. if i lose 3 or 4 buy-ins I go back to NL25 and more importantly asses my game/hands at NL50 and work out what went wrong.

The most important thing is to forget pride and move back down if you feel outskilled (unlikely) or playing scared, or down-swinging etc.

It generally takes me ~ 5-10hrs to get used to stacks and bet sizes when I move up.

Originally Posted by r8ed

I know you are on a whoring campaign. Think about how much quicker you will clear bonuses at 50NL. Even if you break even, you are winning the free money quicker. If you are at 8bb/100 at 25NL, I don't see your bb/100 dropping that much if at all anyway. 16k.

Originally Posted by Renton

lol u said asses

Originally Posted by jungy121

and is vpip and pfr all pokertracker terms?

Originally Posted by AHiltz

Move up, dip your feet in the waters.

There are 3 scenarios:
1) you do well and stay there
2) you have a downswing and have to go back to 25NL to build the roll
3) You can't adjust to having more $$ at stack and move back to 25NL

At 50NL, open for $2. Don't expect the play to be that much better. Don't think of it as money, but rather as chips.

Originally Posted by Lukie

Renton, I only read your initial post, but it sounds like you are long over-due for a move up. It seems like you are overrolled (not a bad thing), easily outplay the NL25 field, and mentally ready to move up.

Also, maintaining a 12ptbb/100 winrate is so far beyond murdering a game it's just a spec on the radar. 8ptbb/100 is killing a game and you should be more then confident in moving up. If you have any questions or need any help or whatever.. just hit me up on AIM.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

I say this because i think by the time you reach 200nl or 400nl you should be playing an extensive range of mtts on top of ring games.

Originally Posted by Lukie

Miffed, I'm curious to why you say what Fnord quoted?
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Ring baby.. that's what it's all about.

Originally Posted by dpe8598

Do you want to be risky? Do you care if you drop your roll in one hand. Some don't and if that is you, than more power to you. Go ahead and play 25/50 cent.

Originally Posted by Renton

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I don't agree. I don't care how much of a taste for risk you have, or how good of a player you are, putting your whole bankroll on the table is never a good idea. You may as well be playing the lottery.

Its like agreeing to a 3:2 payoff for flipping heads on a coin, only catch is you have to flip the coin 150 times, and its double or nothing with each flip. You are getting a tremendously +EV deal, but the chances are astronomically low that you'll get lucky enough to flip heads on a coin 150 consecutive times.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

if you beat a game over 15k hands and are rolled to move up then move up imo
Once you reach 100nl i would move to a bankroll that is 30buy ins not 20 and then for each subsequent level add 10 buy ins on top so you go to 200nl with a 6k roll and 400 with a 12-16k roll.
I say this because i think by the time you reach 200nl or 400nl you should be playing an extensive range of mtts on top of ring games.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

whoa!
i was suggesting that with a br of over say 3k or more likely 5k, you should be likely (or at least i would hope!) to be considering playing a number of mtts as a stand-aside to ring games. Afterall, with a 5k roll are u not tempted to enter the 10r+a or 50FO on stars etc.