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HeAVyB101
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03-03-2009, 06:05 PM
Post subject: 25NL 11k hands CRITIQUE PLZ
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Chicago IL
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Just looking for some feedback on these stats. I have been doing really well so far over the last 11k hands. I feel like my 3bet percentage is really low, and I'm not too sure about vpip. I'm not sure what is ideal though.
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Ragnar4
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I have no idea what the red line is, but I DEMAND thaty ou fix it.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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sil693
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
I have no idea what the red line is, but I DEMAND thaty ou fix it.
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[ ] constructive
[x] bs
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HeAVyB101
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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The red line is the non-showdown winnings. Pretty much all the hands that i win/lose that don't go to showdown. I believe it's pretty normal to have a decreasing non-showdown graph.
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HeAVyB101
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Are my stats that perfect that I get no constructive responses????? I could live with that 
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dev
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You run a little nitty. Post your position and steal stats and we can give you some useful analysis.
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TonyB73
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Originally Posted by dev
You run a little nitty. Post your position and steal stats and we can give you some useful analysis.
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This.
Looks a touch nitty and weaktight to me. I assume this is FR and not 6-max?
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28.3% aggression frequency means you only bet when you have a hand
I mean, considering you flop a pair with AK 30% of the time...
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okiman
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Originally Posted by iopq
28.3% aggression frequency means you only bet when you have a hand
I mean, considering you flop a pair with AK 30% of the time...
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Agreed. You need to take advantage of the nits, which your combination of low vpip, reasonable aggression factor, and low aggression frequency means you aren't doing. You must not c-bet air at all and, as a result, you're folding a ton. More importantly, you must be really easy to read as an opponent (which doesn't matter as much at 25nl, but I imagine matters a whole lot more in the coming levels; I'm also at 25nl).
You're off to a great start with your win rate though.
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HeAVyB101
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Here are my position stats. Thanks for the feedback so far!
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Originally Posted by HeAVyB101
Here are my position stats. Thanks for the feedback so far!
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This was 6max????
Holy crap, i thought this was FR from your stats then I see the position stats.
Your wayyyy too nitty for 6max.
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HeAVyB101
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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This is full ring. for some reason it just uses early pos and middle pos instead of each seat individually. I use HEM, is there a way to change this?
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HeAVyB101
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So do i need to continuation bet more frequently then? I feel like I already do c-bet on an average basis.
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hem is gay like that since most people play 6m
why are you losing more from sb than bb lol
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HeAVyB101
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Ya oh well. It really doesn't matter cause the early positions play about the same, and same with the middle positions. So what other feedback can you guys give me as far as my play goes?
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Micro2Macro
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Originally Posted by sil693
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
I have no idea what the red line is, but I DEMAND thaty ou fix it.
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Maybe not the most constructive response, but at least Ragnar is hinting at something here.
Of course it's already been mentioned, but if you're really nitty your money won without showdown will be lower than it should because you're not picking up enough uncontested pots that demand to be stolen. Probably not isolating and playing aggressively enough in later position also.
I find whenever I feel like I'm on autopilot and not really playing poker very well, my money won at showdown line slopes down too steep (like the one here). But when I pay more attention to picking up more pots postflop + playing position a bit better (isolating more and picking better spots to bluff etc) I find the line runs closer to even.
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AFchung
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wow i thought this was FR... i was thinking "this guys still pretty nitty". now that it's 6max...
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Originally Posted by AFchung
wow i thought this was FR... i was thinking "this guys still pretty nitty". now that it's 6max...
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it's FR
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HeAVyB101
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Ok so I guess I'm playing too nitty. My 12bb/100 seems pretty good, but what is above average/really good return for 25NL? What should I be aiming for?
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dranger7070
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12bb/100 is actually probably right where you should be gunning for if not over what you should expect.
To put it in perspective: You win a BI for your stake every 1000 hands running 10bb/100, so you are winning more than a BI per 1k hands. That is VERY good imo. Keep it up.
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d0zer
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11k hands not big enough sample to judge winrate. You're probably running somewhat above expectation at the moment.
You are a nit, which isn't the worst thing in the world at 25NL, but you definitely could start opening your game more as you get more comfortable postflop. The first way to start this is to start stealing and isolating limpers with wider ranges in LP. Your button/co raise of around 12% is incredibly tight. For comparison, mine is 28% (at FR).
I wouldn't suggest you go quite that loose just yet, but you should start limping behind a single limper a whole lot less in these late positions. With hands like QJs, I bet you're tempted to limp behind a single limper. Just raise it. Learn which board textures are good to c-bet and start doing more of it. Limping behind multiple limpers is better with hands like SCs, suited gappers, 22-66. your standard implied odds hands.
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