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Carroters
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03-06-2009, 05:36 PM
Post subject: 20K hand check-up
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Okay so I lied a little bit on the title, but 19712 is close enough imo.
All feedback and what not welcome as always. Can y'all see any leaks to patch up here?
Apologies for the terrible sizing. I am a donk when it comes to computers/images etc. I should probably learn a bit about the technical stuff, only it means less time for poker 
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Taicho
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One problem I immediately found was the presence of a carrot in your graph. Those should generally be avoided when graphing results, as they can skew the data.
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ArcadianRock
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Jesus, I misread that, for a second I thought it said you made $500 off of $.01/$.02...
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Micro2Macro
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I'm curious as to how many tables you play. PF stats look tight/solid.
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BennyLaRue
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Originally Posted by Taicho
One problem I immediately found was the presence of a carrot in your graph. Those should generally be avoided when graphing results, as they can skew the data.
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I would have gone with "stew the data" myself, but this is nice.
Your posts have been well written and insightful, as well as occasionally funny. For this relatively exceptional behaviour, I pronounce you King of the Newbs. Reign well.
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Carroters
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I play 4 tables - would ideally play 5-6 but the site I play on sucks and can't tile or re size in anyway!
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2ndline.4thstreet
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Originally Posted by ArcadianRock
Jesus, I misread that, for a second I thought it said you made $500 off of $.01/$.02...
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Me too. lol
Although I've won about $10 in the past 500 hands...
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Carroters
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God I run so bad today.
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One problem I immediately found was the presence of a carrot in your graph. Those should generally be avoided when graphing results, as they can skew the data.
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Yeah dis is a virus on my puter dat does dis it also did it wiv my FTR username.
Bloooooooo
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BennyLaRue
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Whoops, this is embarrassing. I was talking about Taicho.
You've been here a year, Carroters. You're not new anymore.
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Carroters
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lol ohh edit time me thinks.
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Taicho
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Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
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Originally Posted by Taicho
One problem I immediately found was the presence of a carrot in your graph. Those should generally be avoided when graphing results, as they can skew the data.
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I would have gone with "stew the data" myself, but this is nice.
Your posts have been well written and insightful, as well as occasionally funny. For this relatively exceptional behaviour, I pronounce you King of the Newbs. Reign well. |
You're right, stew is better. I didn't think it through.
Edit: King! Yes! And to think, my ex said I'd never make anything of myself. TAKE THAT JENNY
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Carroters
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Since we've veered a lil off topic here, anyone got a bit of constrcutive criticism re the stats or something?
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dev
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Since we've veered a lil off topic here, anyone got a bit of constrcutive criticism re the stats or something?
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Your stats are beautiful, GJ!
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Taicho
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My bad. Carroters seems to be good people, someone who's better than me should help the guy out. I don't know enough about things to say stuff and what not.
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kfaess
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These stats look great, GJ man.
Question: Why are you still playing 2NL?
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dranger7070
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It's 20nl (hes playing on a site that doesnt have .10/.25 its .10/.20 instead.
Anyways to the stats. Very nice, only thing is your AF is really high. I think you could probably tone it down to ~3, unless of course its just a bunch of nits and you are c-betting an ass ton 
Other then that Keep up the good work imo.
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Carroters
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Originally Posted by dranger7070
It's 20nl (hes playing on a site that doesnt have .10/.25 its .10/.20 instead.
Anyways to the stats. Very nice, only thing is your AF is really high. I think you could probably tone it down to ~3, unless of course its just a bunch of nits and you are c-betting an ass ton
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Thanks for the clarification lol - it'd be very sick if I'd won 250 buyins in 20k hands at 2NL!
Yeah I do C bet a ton, so I'm looking at spots to reduce this. I think my agg factor's mainly high due to rarely calling as supposed to betting and raising a shitload. I'm pretty tight when it comes to playing without the initiative.
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dev
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I think you nailed it, Carroters. Maybe being able to call down vs. agro opponents in certain spots. I think 4 is about right for most micro- and low-stakes games. AF is a funny thing, it just does way too much for one stat. Going over hand ranges in specific hands will give you a better idea of how to improve than targeting any particular stat anyway.
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Micro2Macro
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You've gotta be spewing a bit somewhere postlfop. This is 6-max right?
I'm sure you could get that money won without showdown line leveled out a bit. Probably just a matter of picking better spots postlfop, maybe just barrelling too much I dunno.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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dev
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It ain't broke.
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Micro2Macro
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Originally Posted by dev
It ain't broke.
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You're right, not a single leak period. Even though we've only seen a handful of stats.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Carroters
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The without showdown line does bother me instinctively, even if this is normal for micros (mainly cos it's descending and red)
I think c betting in poor spots is something I need to work on not doing. However, I feel fold a good bit more than most people at the micros, so I like to think of it as damage limitation and the red line's job being to protect the blue and the overall profit.
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dranger7070
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Tbh, I wouldn't worry about the lil red line as long as that thick green one keeps goin up .
If you ARE somewhat concerned about it, robb has a GREAT topic on here somewhere (ill post it if/when I find it) on c-betting that will really your eyes (it did mine) to when to c-bet, when NOT to c-bet, who to c-bet against etc. That alone should cause the red line to even out a little bit.
I wouldn't sweat it though, you are doing good man, just keep up the good work.
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dranger7070
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...light=cbetting
and boom goes the dynamite.
seriously though, this post is long as fuck and its gonna take more than one reading to take it all in, but it is EXTREMELY worth the effort.
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Carroters
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Thanks man, I remember this post from a while back, although I didn't actually reads it properly then. I'll defo dedicate some time to it now.
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