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Old 07-19-2010, 02:45 PM     Post subject: 2 spots vs fish #1 (permalink)  
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SB ($10)
BB ($13.20)
UTG ($10.46)
MP ($11.18)
CO ($10)
Hero (Button) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with XX
3 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.70, Hero.......

SB is a nit, BB is a presumed fish running 45/13 over 31 hands - no 3 bet yet.

What's our opening range from the BTN? Facing the small 3bet what are our fold/call/4bet ranges? Plan for postflop?


Fish is 69/9/1.9AF over 65 hands with a 100% limp/call, he's folded to a flop cbet 7/12 times and a steal 1/2.

I think I can b/f turn to get value from flush draws, 8x, JT/T9 enough to outweigh the times he has a better Queen or a random ace. So b/f $1.40 with the intention of checking back most rivers?

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MP ($12.94)
CO ($10.04)
Button ($5.45)
SB ($7.66)
Hero (BB) ($13.80)
UTG ($7.18)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, Q
4 folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.40

Flop: ($1) Q, 8, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, SB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.40) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.40) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $6.46 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $2.40 | Rake: $0.11
 
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Old 07-19-2010, 03:33 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1. What was the previous action the when you had the button and he was in the BB?
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Old 07-19-2010, 03:35 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I think so although there are bound to be those who say it should be 2.40.
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:30 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 H1 - 4bet/calling range depends. Most fish insta-3bet their strong hands, but what he considers strong may not be that great. Could be hands like AJ, AT, KQ, KJ. Of course he could also have something like TT+, AQ+ as well. So I'm calling here with 22-JJ and 4betting QQ+, AK and fold everything else, which I think is fairly standard. If he was more of a maniac, I'd 4bet/call with a lot more.

H2 - I don't like the raise pre, sorry. So what do you beat here? Q3-Q5 and air. Granted he could have air a lot and I will say that I've went bluff catching before and they turn up missed straight/flush draws more often than we might think. But I'm usually not facing a shove, more so 25-100% of the pot, not an over-shove looking to get missed value for monster hands. So do you want to stack off with a weak second pair hand? His range is wide for sure, but it's not even close equity-wise. Crunch the numbers, I'd like to see it tho.
 
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:46 PM #5 (permalink)  
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What's our opening range from the BTN? Facing the small 3bet what are our fold/call/4bet ranges? Plan for postflop?
Why don't you tell us yours first?

As for hand 2, fold preflop. There is no point in raising garbage to steal someone's blind if they never fold. You're just putting yourself in a bad spot where you have no idea what they hold and your hand sucks.

As played, you absolutely have to bet this turn.

As you actually played, snap fold the river and remember why raising Q6o against someone calling 63% of hands was a terribad play.
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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Old 07-19-2010, 04:54 PM #6 (permalink)  
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As for hand 2, fold preflop.
So fold a free flop in the BB then?
 
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That said, I'd check my option. If this person was running like 35 VPIP I'd raise just because I like to punish people who limp the SB. But vs this guy I'd like just a check. After that it's totally standard.
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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H1) I think you need some idea of how they play postflop, but with a 45/13 in the BB I'm going to put him on a pretty wide calling range pre and I think he's going to be calling a lot of cbets and barrels. Gonna pretty much gonna open a value range of something like 22+, A2s+, K2s+,Q6s+, 54s-JTs, J9s,T8s,97s,86s,75s, A7o+, K8o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o if he doesn't 3b frequently. Without hands on him I'm going to put him on what I think he thinks is a value range of 22-77(maybe),88-TT(often),JJ+ (unless he's a slowplaying bat rastard), ATs+, AJo+,QJs+, and KJo. My calling range is going to include 22-JJ, because I don't know if he's really going to be continuing with worse/non-flipping hands if I 4bet TT/JJ (small 3bet = som 24 to 1 implied odds or something), AJs,AQ,KQs. My value 4b range is going to be AK,QQ,KK,AA. Plan for postflop is to play tight-passively with small pocket pairs, usually peeling a card with the higher end/small dry flops. How I play my overcard range really depends on his bet sizing on the flop (I'm not usually going to bet if he checks). If I flop top pair top/good kicker and he checks on a rainbow disconnected flop I'm usually going to check and bet the turn if he checks again because I don't think worse will often continue to a flop value bet.

hand 2) Check behind pre, as played flop,turn,and river play looks fine.
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 hand 1 , never folding pre
hand 2 , isoing is fine, bet turn like 1.70 check river, as played call river easy.
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Old 07-19-2010, 06:18 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Why don't you tell us yours first?
His 3bet sizing is interesting, it could be his normal sizing or he could just think I'm FOS so 3bet range {88+,ATo+,KJo+,76o,J8o} with the last 2 representing spaz outs.

I wouldn't open air vs this guy even though SB was very tight so mainly opening hands that have ok playability post flop. His "lol small" 3bet lets us flat almost everything since we have implied odds over 20:1. 4bet AK, JJ+ for value and nothing as a bluff.

Post flop he's probably cbetting too much in 3 bet pots and then checking turns so we can call draws and probably get a free river. We have good implied odds but little FE post flop against this guy.
 
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