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Old 02-01-2009, 08:38 PM     Post subject: 2 more hands I need some advice on #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:

After the villain checks the flop, what is the correct play on the turn? Im pretty clueless here given that I dont really have any reads...

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Hero (SB) ($9.48)
BB ($6.06)
UTG ($5.01)
Button ($11.79)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7, 7
1 fold, Button raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.45) 4, K, 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($0.45) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, Button calls $0.40

River: ($1.25) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.90, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.25 | Rake: $0.05

Hand 2:

Preflop I dont see the villain just min raising with AT+ so on the flop Im pretty sure that I am ahead. At the same time I want to control the pot size with only TPNK. Should I be looking to raise on any of the streets?

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BB ($5.86)
UTG ($4.72)
MP ($11.46)
CO ($5.56)
Button ($4.39)
Hero (SB) ($8.66)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 9
UTG calls $0.05, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.03, BB raises to $0.10, UTG calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.30) K, 2, A (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15

Turn: ($0.60) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

River: ($1.10) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Total pot: $1.10 | Rake: $0.05
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:53 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 For hand 2 I wouldn't complete the sb here. A9o out of position is a bad hand, just dump it. And especially don't call a raise out of position with it, this would have been avoided by folding preflop. Tighten up in the sb because if you're completing with A9o I would think you may be doing it with even weaker aces.

Hand 1 I don't really get. Your certainly not betting for value here because you won't get called with a lower pair so I'm assuming by betting here you're just trying to take down the pot.

Most turns will be greater than a 7 so I would lead the flop if the button is a habitual folder on the flop (unless he likes to float or just call you down anyway). I don't think I'd bet the turn here because too many hands within a typical button raising range have connected by the turn. Kx, Tx, QJ, anything suited with diamonds, and plus your oop so its a crappy spot to be with 3rd pair in a raised pot. You need a read to bluff here IMO.
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:21 AM #3 (permalink)  
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A9o out of position is a bad hand, just dump it. And especially don't call a raise out of position with it
^^^. However... you have played it so: no, i wouldnt be re-raising on any street. The turn bet is small enough to call based on your feeling towards villians range and just checking it out on the river is fine. You managed to get a cheap showdown. but i wouldnt make a habit of playing that hand OOP like that.

hand 1: i think thats fine.
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:09 AM #4 (permalink)  
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In hand 2 Im getting 1:4 pot odds when I complete, and the fact that they limp in and this is 5NL makes me think that they are most likely holding crap (although my A9o is also crap). With this in mind is it stil a mistake to complete here? If so what hands should I be completing in pots where the other players and all limping in?

Also if I believe that I am ahead of the villain should I not be trying to get more value out of this hand?
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Old 02-02-2009, 02:16 PM #5 (permalink)  
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In hand 2 Im getting 1:4 pot odds when I complete, and the fact that they limp in and this is 5NL makes me think that they are most likely holding crap (although my A9o is also crap). With this in mind is it stil a mistake to complete here? If so what hands should I be completing in pots where the other players and all limping in?

Also if I believe that I am ahead of the villain should I not be trying to get more value out of this hand?
Your mistake is that you're holding crap, out of position, and you called a PF raise. This is a horrible hand to play for value from the SB. And now you end up flopping a weak ace that you have no idea how to play. If played at all, you need to raise pre, hard. You have a dead pot here that could easily be cleaned up.

And if you think you're ahead of villians range, why are you not betting?

And normally your SB completing range should be very tight. I don't really like A9 anywhere outside of CO or BTN. From SB, complete with pocket pairs and KQ+. Raise hard with QQ+.
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In hand 2 Im getting 1:4 pot odds when I complete, and the fact that they limp in and this is 5NL makes me think that they are most likely holding crap (although my A9o is also crap).
Sounds like a good reason to fold.

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what hands should I be completing in pots where the other players and all limping in?
'potential' hands are good, like suited gappers, broadways. If you think your opponents are limping with like KJ/KT hands KQ is a great hand to complete with because you can take them to value town when they hit their weaker pair. A weak ace sucks because you don't want to hit your ace since it is likely dominated. Suited aces can be good to complete if opponents are passive/manipulative and love to call - you can price yourself into draws - but you aren't really looking to make a pair with them. Check out renton's preflop guide, he talks about blind play. Just remember there are no set rules on what you should play. It all depends on the opponents you are facing. Alot of the times you won't get paid when you hit that 'potential' hand that you might limp so it may not be worth it.

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Also if I believe that I am ahead of the villain should I not be trying to get more value out of this hand?
Yeah...but your out of position with a bad hand. Just fold and wait for a better spot. Now if this was A9o on the button, things might change here. As far as this hand goes though, it doesn't have much potential.
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