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Hoopy
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04-29-2010, 11:33 AM
Post subject: 2 hands facing turn raise
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Both these hands are against unknowns, either they just sat down or I did.
weaktight | Hand | 56s - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
Pre flop: Both BTN and BB are multi tabling heavily and folding to steals very often + play fit or fold post flop.
Flop: Difficult to define an unknown's calling range - probably includes 22-77 and some of the weaker broadways. Flop cbet is for protection/value against possible flush/straight draws, also trying to pick up the dead money in the pot. If he calls I'll probably have to check back turn and maybe fold river.
Turn: Good card for my range + unlikely to help his. Value bet against draws 8x and 99, his turn raise reps a really strong range (A6,88,33) right?
weaktight | Hand Poll | 88 - $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
This almost always a straight right? Unless he's doing this with something like Q9.
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eugmac
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopyDude
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The 88 hand, you're getting about 2:1 to call his all in. Calculate your equity vs his estimated range. His range is much wider than {75, T7} imo. If you can include any two-pair hands, or a Qx that picked up a straight draw on the turn... easy call.
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
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1. This looks fine to me. I could go either way on the flop depending on villains tendencies; since we don't know anything b/f to get value from draws and be able to pick up the pot a decent amount/protect vs overcards looks fine. If villain plays draws aggressively or tends not to call down passively, I prefer checking back the flop to induce bluffs on the turn and allow us to not get raised off our hand by his draws/bluffs.
On the turn his range is pretty much a weirdly played draw or a better hand, with maybe the odd spazz. I'd definitely just flat since our hand is essentially a bluff catcher most of the time here (although sometimes you'll run into some weird TT or something, not enough to warrant 3 betting the turn though. On this river you've got to call this shitty bet when his semi bluffs brick. I almost want to go ahead and raise for value but it's likely way too thin.
2. Easy call on the turn, some times he has a stright but there's a ton of 2 pairs, pair + draw etc etc that you're miles ahead of, don't fold.
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Hoopy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eugmac
The 88 hand, you're getting about 2:1 to call his all in. Calculate your equity vs his estimated range. His range is much wider than {75, T7} imo. If you can include any two-pair hands, or a Qx that picked up a straight draw on the turn... easy call.
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Cheers for the reply.
Yeah looking back on this I gave him too tight a range for c/r'ing turn. I didn't really consider that he could be doing this with hands like QT (probably because I wouldn't do it myself, but I've got to remember to put myself in villeins shoes).
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