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Old 02-06-2009, 12:46 AM     Post subject: 2 AKo hands from tonights session. #1 (permalink)  
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 I played 83 hands at 15/9/1.6 . In this hand villain had played 21/9/0.67 over the 88 hands.
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UTG ($5.76)
UTG+1 ($6.09)
MP1 ($5.07)
MP2 ($3.77)
CO ($8.26)
Hero (Button) ($6.75)
SB ($10.28)
BB ($5.79)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A
4 folds, CO raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 1 fold, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.62) Q, 5, 9 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.42) Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.42) K (2 players)
CO bets $0.95, Hero ???


In the second hand villain was 9/3/0.5
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CO ($5.42)
Button ($5.89)
SB ($6.11)
BB ($8.92)
UTG ($3.72)
UTG+1 ($9.58)
Hero (MP1) ($5.72)
MP2 ($5)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, Button calls $0.25, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.62) K, A, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, Button calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.62) J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, Button calls $0.25

River: ($2.12) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, Button raises to $0.75, Hero ???

the following range comes out at 17% of hands to allow for him being in the cutoff and opening his range up.

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 103  games     0.005 secs    20,600  games/sec

Board: Ks Ah Th Jc 5s
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	54.369%  	52.43% 	01.94% 	            54 	        2.00   { AsKd }
Hand 1: 	45.631%  	43.69% 	01.94% 	            45 	        2.00   { 22+, AJs+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KJo+, QJo }
Firstly is this a valid range to use ? Should I be thinking he probably has the Q which was why i slowed down. Then again should I have bet the flop a lot stronger.On the other hand when the raise came in on the river I was thinking he either has theQ or flush.
In hindsight should it have been a check fold once the J came on the turn .
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Old 02-06-2009, 01:30 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: What's the question? You finally made your hand. I think he holds Qx less than a third of the time, here, and his calling range is certainly tipped that direction. If you think he has a queen, then call. If not, then raise. (I've got an opinion, but I'd like to hear what you think his range is.)

Hand 2: Dude, why bet small when you're scared? You're offering him odds to draw on you, and you manage on the turn and river to bloat the pot. You're lucky he raised small. Call it, but he'll show the queen down here, a lot. But there's like 6 to 1 on your half a buck by the time you get there. Since he'll do this with some 2 pair hands, you have odds to call. But either bet for real or just check it down on turn/river, imo.
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:23 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 H1 smells like a vbet on the river. I think I just call here.

H2, Pot the flop. I bet like around a dollar on the turn and see what he does. This river is horrendous as you only beat AT/AJ now, but I'm not really sure how to bet it. Just not like you did.
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Old 02-06-2009, 05:49 AM #4 (permalink)  

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Hand1- 3BET preflop in my opinion, to $0.60. As played the river is an easy call.

Hand2- Bet pot on the flop, bet at least $1 or more on the turn. You shouldn't just assume he automatically has a queen because there are other hands like flush/straight draws, two pairs that call the flop and don't beat you with that turn. Checking or betting light won't give you any obvious information about his hand. If he still calls then the river could be a check fold depending on how much he bets. As played I call the river and feel bad.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:22 AM #5 (permalink)  
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H1.. gotta 3bet this from the button preflop. Call river

H2. turn bet is terrible, has to be around the $1 mark at least. Terrible river and im strugling to see what he's raising with that you beat.
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H1.. gotta 3bet this from the button preflop. Call river
you don't have to do anything, flatting here can be the correct play some times, while 3betting would be the standard. I probably 3bet 80% flat 20% depending on the CO's postflop abilities and the blinds PF tendencies.
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Old 02-06-2009, 08:09 AM #7 (permalink)  
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the relevant stat is fold to 3b for the CO because if he's folding to a 3b like 75% of the time, what a 3b would do is make him fold his AJ/AQ hands

and there should be NO question on the river in hand 1
or hand 2 for that matter
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Old 02-06-2009, 11:20 AM #8 (permalink)  
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H1.. gotta 3bet this from the button preflop. Call river
you don't have to do anything, flatting here can be the correct play some times, while 3betting would be the standard. I probably 3bet 80% flat 20% depending on the CO's postflop abilities and the blinds PF tendencies.
I'm initially following Robb's noobies 5K guide with the relevent passage being
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Open each of these for a standard raise of 3.5 x BB (4x fine, too). If only limpers have entered the pot, bet right out, adding 1 BB per limper to your standard opening raise. When considering your first action after someone else has raised, fold the Broadway hands and aces that are AQ and worse, call with AK and all pp's QQ and less, and reraise with AA and KK. If your reraise with AA or KK is reraised, call all-in or shove all-in yourself.
So essentially ,depending on villain ,I should be looking to move AK from my raise calling range to 3 bet range 80% of the time and against tight nits leave it in the calling range?. Or would the tight nits be more likely to 4 bet as they should have a strong hand preflop or fold to the 3 bet at the weaker end of their range.The other possibilty would be to call with suited AK as it then gives more flush chances so I want the villain to stay in if I do hit the flop flush draw which would also give a 75:25 split.
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Hand 1: What's the question? You finally made your hand. I think he holds Qx less than a third of the time, here, and his calling range is certainly tipped that direction. If you think he has a queen, then call. If not, then raise. (I've got an opinion, but I'd like to hear what you think his range is.)
I was thinking he'd be on pocket pairs,broadway cards,and maybe some suited connectors down to possibly 67s hoping to steal the blinds (since I was tight and the table generally was playing tight.)
In hind sight , I think i was scared of him check raising me on the turn with a Q so I checked it, whereas according to the guide , checked to me , last to act with two overcards I should have bet 2/3 pot so roughly $1.
With the river card I was thinking that I would lose to Qx,KK and AA,55,99 and beat KJ and lower ,Ax(exceptAQ) and most of the suited connectors that were hanging around after the flop hoping for a straight/flush.The queens had me worried (probably unduly so and hopefully with experience I won't get so worried about the scare cards so I called the river.
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Hand 2: Dude, why bet small when you're scared? You're offering him odds to draw on you, and you manage on the turn and river to bloat the pot. You're lucky he raised small. Call it, but he'll show the queen down here, a lot. But there's like 6 to 1 on your half a buck by the time you get there. Since he'll do this with some 2 pair hands, you have odds to call. But either bet for real or just check it down on turn/river, imo.
I completely messed this one up from being scared of the Q ( this is looking like its a major leak area for me with the scare cards scaring the shit of of me). It should either have been a semi bluff 1$ bet and hope to hit A or K on the river if villain has the queen and then check folding the river if the viallain come along and fold to a reraise on the turn or checking it down from the turn. I folded and was sure i was beaten either by a straight or flush but I had thought about getting 6:1 on the 50 cent call but I felt that by that stage I would win less than 1 in 7 times .
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Old 02-06-2009, 09:42 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 You don't HAVE to bet. There's nothing wrong with giving a free card, despite the hysterical "NEVER give your opponents free cards" mantra from certain folks. There's especially nothing wrong with giving villain a free card (check behind on the turn in hand 1) when you think he's likely to be AHEAD. If you think he has a queen, just check behind the turn and hope he lets you see a cheap river.
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