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Ification
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01-06-2009, 08:16 PM
Post subject: 2:1 on a marginal call PF...weird action
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-UTG is a juicy donator running 77/10 over 100 or so hands
First time he's limped raised and he's shown down QQ, JJ, A10 when he was the initial aggressor and all sorts of random J6 type hands when he limp calls
-MP is a solid 23/20 who's been isolating the shit out of the donk so he should have a lot of sc's, gappers, and small pp's in his range.
Q1: Standard squeeze on whats apparantley another iso raise?
Q2: Given pot odds are we getting this in here 100% of the time and being happy about it?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (CO) ($32.75)
Button ($33.95)
SB ($18.95)
BB ($39.55)
UTG ($17.25)
MP ($62.70)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q , A
UTG calls $0.25, MP raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, UTG raises to $17.25 (All-In)
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STHollywood
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he has AA
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Vrax
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more like 88+, AT+ with couple of smaller PP's and sooted aces thrown in. As played, (3bet tag isolator, who folded) I wouldn't mind to gamb00l here.
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bigspenda73
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3bet size is ridiculously too big
this isn't a squeeze, a squeeze is when there is a caller in between
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Micro2Macro
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If you put him on a range of say 77+,A9s+,KQs+,AJo+,KQo+...
according to PokerStove its roughly a coinflip (51.30% for the donk vs 48.70% for you) But you have pot odds to make the call profitable. This is a pretty loose re-raise range though, and if he hasn't limp re raise shoved from UTG yet maybe he is holding something alot bigger...then again he only has roughly 3x your raise so he can't do much more than shove rather than his standard re raise.
If you assign a tighter range of like 99+, AJs+, AQo+, your roughly a 60/40 underdog so still a call due to pot odds? Actually I think your slightly behind there - sorry I'm too tired (and stupid) to make a mental calculation here so someone please correct me on this. If your equity is close though by +/- 5% or so you should probably call to look him up anyway as he could very well be shoving alot lighter here. That's just what I would do...and then make a note of what he had.
BTW how much did he buy in for? If it was alot higher than that $17 he's got left he might either trying to steal here or just gamble and hopefully double through so he can win back some $. Either way you could probably lean towards the looser range and make a call here. If you end up sucking out on him he might go ape shit, reload to a full buy in, and start spewing like mad - now THAT is +EV for you. I think AQo might be good here, if your behind your not that far behind and for the reason about him becoming even more spewy I'd call and gamble it up with him. I've seen LAG donks who would buy in for half of max, donk off their stack, and then rebuy at FULL only to become even more spewy. He sounds like he's that type.
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Ification
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
3bet size is ridiculously too big
this isn't a squeeze, a squeeze is when there is a caller in between
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Alright, 3bet...sorry
Elaborate on the sizing comment. I usually do 3x IP and 4x OOP and I don't see how a little over 4x is "ridiculously" too big with an UTG limper who will call wide.
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Micro2Macro
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I think if you made your 3-bet to the MP's initial range smaller, like $4.25 to $4.75 should do it ($6-$7 or so is pretty standard at 50NL),
you'd be able to get away from your hand here easier if you plan on folding to the donk shove. You invest less $ for virtually the same effect.
His all-in move plays more like a 4-bet shove rather than a 'standard 3-bet' since there was a raise, then your 3-bet, and then you face his shove into you when the action comes back.
You save yourself 6 big blinds if you drop your raise down to $4.50. And it also looks like its more for value rather than a big raise to try and take it down preflop full stop.
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Has he been limp calling a lot of 3 bets tho? Big difference between somebody that l/c an iso raise than someone l/c a massive 3 bet for 1/3rd of their stack. If you were just hoping to get this HU with the fishy i think 4-4.50 is fine (especially if u haven't been 3betting very much). I mean obv it depends on initial raise size, but I've 4 bet to less than 24bb on occasion.
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Micro2Macro
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I'm curious to know what villian had if you called?
Did you end up calling or folding?
Or are you hoping to get more replies before posting the result - in which case I can wait and satisfy my urge to know the answer to everything later lol.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Ification
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
3bet size is ridiculously too big
this isn't a squeeze, a squeeze is when there is a caller in between
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Alright, 3bet...sorry
Elaborate on the sizing comment. I usually do 3x IP and 4x OOP and I don't see how a little over 4x is "ridiculously" too big with an UTG limper who will call wide. |
how about this was 25 cents under 5x.
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Ification
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Ification
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
3bet size is ridiculously too big
this isn't a squeeze, a squeeze is when there is a caller in between
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Alright, 3bet...sorry
Elaborate on the sizing comment. I usually do 3x IP and 4x OOP and I don't see how a little over 4x is "ridiculously" too big with an UTG limper who will call wide. |
how about this was 25 cents under 5x. |
It's ironic I passed Calculus but can't do basic addition...
So if I dont make any simple arimthmetic mistakes....my 3bet sizes are ok?
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I'm curious to know what villain had if you called?
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I called since I figured i flipping against most hands in his range.
He had AK 
Ship it on the double queen flop 
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Micro2Macro
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It's ironic I passed Calculus but can't do basic addition...
So if I dont make any simple arimthmetic mistakes....my 3bet sizes are ok?
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Heh, your not the only one who can solve derivatives yet have a brain freeze at something like 1+2 (okay maybe not that simple but point made), as for the 3-bet size I think it's too big in this particular situation. Depends on alot of factors though, but for your intended purpose it really just needs to be bigger than a normal raise to weed out any callers, reel in the fish UTG, and put the MP raiser in a tough spot. To accomplish this, I think anywhere from $4-$4.50 is good.
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I called since I figured i flipping against most hands in his range.
He had AK
Ship it on the double queen flop
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Haha nice, karma gone to work against the guy who doesn't know wtf he's doing and in favour of the one who's patient enough to wait for a good spot. So did he reload and spew?
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