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CrazyAndy27s
Old 08-02-2009, 03:06 AM     Post subject: 1st 25NL Session, couple of hands #1 (permalink)  

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Hi all,

This was my first 25NL session- For this one I one tabled 200 hands (I'm used to 9 tabling 10NL), and here are some hands I need some input on. I wasn't using PT or any kind of HUD on this session, so I just have general assumptions.

Hand 1 is vs typical TAG reg:

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Hero (MP3) ($47.15)
CO ($28.43)
Button ($50)
SB ($25.10)
BB ($77.84)
UTG ($41.19)
UTG+1 ($37.45)
MP1 ($24.73)
MP2 ($25)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4, 4
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.85, MP1 calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.85, 4 folds

Flop: ($2.90) 4, K, A (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.25, UTG+1 calls $1.25, 1 fold

Turn: ($5.40) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2.50, UTG+1 raises to $10, Hero calls $7.50

River: ($25.40) 6 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $25.35 (All-In), Hero calls $25.35

Total pot: $76.10 | Rake: $3

Hand 2 is vs another reg, who seemed to 3bet light a couple of times in position:

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Hero (CO) ($36.68)
Button ($26.33)
SB ($26.97)
BB ($25)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($52.25)
MP2 ($50.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 10
4 folds, Hero bets $0.75, Button raises to $2.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($5.85) 7, 8, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($5.85) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, 1 fold

Total pot: $5.85 | Rake: $0.29

Any input would be handy- I'm aiming to stay at 1 or 2 tables for a few thousand hands, regularly posting hands on here, then going eventually back to 9 tables once I've got used to this limit.
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Old 08-02-2009, 03:58 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 - Jeez... He took like the one line that reeks of AA/KK. I highly doubt he ever does this with a hand worse than AK. So if you think he will actually take this line with AK, then his range for c/raising the turn is like AA/KK/AK. If he does this with AA/KK/AK with 100% frequency, then it's a +EV turn and river call. If he spazzes with some worse hands, then it's a +EV call (AdQd). If he doesn't, then it's a gay spot, where you should probably call turn and fold river, but I wouldn't do it in play (like ever ).
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Hand 1:

I think the flop bet needs to be a bit bigger to build a bigger pot on future streets, with flopped sets your trying to get money in as quick as possible. HOWEVER, you said he was a TAGG reg eh, that makes me wonder about his EP raising range. Obviously AA-QQ are in the range, and he will stack off with AK here every time, but I'm thinking he flopped an over set to you with that river All in. I don't care though, I'm calling on this non drawing board every time, if he has a over set, so be it. People slow play hands, and unfortunately (I'm assuming, I don't really know the outcome) your hand was to strong to let go.

Hand 2, I agree with the bet from the CO, but I'm folding this to the raise. Your AT BEST a coin flip, but you are out of position and are going to pay a lot of money to find out if your beat or not. Looks like it turned out for the better though...
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:12 AM #4 (permalink)  

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Thanks for the reply- I totally agree with what you both said in hand 1 ( was a sick spot to be in so I just needed some confirmation.)

Hand 2 probably was a spew call, yet I was 3bet in position from this player twice before this hand.

I'll get back to you with some more hands soon, thanks for the advice.
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 Hand 2 - As far as hand 2 goes, meh... If villain is 3betting light, and he has position on me, I usually counter this by (1) 4betting light for value [that is adding hands like AQ/TT-JJ to my value 4betting range, and stacking off], and (2) 4bet bluffing with a higher frequency.

I'm not a big fan of calling 3bets OOP, and tbh, that is most likely a leak. However, with a hand like ATo we have some bad reverse implied odds situations that can arise, like when he is 3betting AQ/AK, and we flop an Ace. Meaning we can't be too happy to put alot of money in. If he has a hand like JJ-KK, sure we have 30% equity against his hand; however, we probably don't get much money in postflop as a favorite.

I'd really just prefer to 4bet to like 28bb ($7), and fold to a shove. I expect that at 25nl, most players give 4bets a shitload of credit, and that his 3betting range probably has a few leaks in it. Meaning, I expect him to think you are only doing this with QQ+, AK the majority of the time, and therefore, he will fold all worse. Plus I think instead of him polarizing his 3betting range in this spot, and 3betting hands that are either monsters, or that he can't profitably call with, at 25nl some players will still be 3betting hands like 99-QQ, AQ, AJs, etc intending to fold if they get 4bet. Which is a pretty good result for us.
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hand 1: if we're sure he has AK/KK+ it's EV+
if he bets AK on the flop and checks AA/KK only then obviously it's a fold
hand 2: fold pre your equity is really bad even if he's bluffing some % of the time, you also have problems with playability, position (you're OOP)
if you're going to do anything, then 4b and fold to a shove
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Old 08-02-2009, 06:29 AM #7 (permalink)  

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Ok, thinking about it it does make more sense against a reg (who would only stack off QQ+ AK+) So do you reckon if I think someone is 3betting light, should I 4bet light back?
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Ok, thinking about it it does make more sense against a reg (who would only stack off QQ+ AK+) So do you reckon if I think someone is 3betting light, should I 4bet light back?
If you want to exploit him, then yes.
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yeah but don't get carried away with light 4bing because it's more exploitable than light 3bing because when someone 5b shoves they are getting better odds on their bluff

so for example in a 4b bluff scenario you're risking something like 22BB to win 11 so they have to fold 2/3 of the time for it to be profitable
but when he decides to 5b bluff he has 30% equity when called, risks 89BB to win 36BB already in the pot

so he wins 200BB when he sucks out 30% of the time, that's 60BB
so he only "risks" 29 additional BB to win the 36 in the pot, so he only needs you to fold 44% or so
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