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Warpe
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08-11-2006, 09:01 PM
Post subject: The 1BB Bet
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I see this all the time on Party, on every street, at the 50nl, 100nl and now 200nl tables, along with its evil twin, the 1BB preflop minraise.
WTF does it mean and there ever situations where it's actually a good tactic, perhaps psychologically if nothing else? Discuss.
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Irisheyes
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It means lots of things. Predominantly draws.
Raise!
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Fnord
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Post-flop treat it like a check, with a little more information. Even in unraised pots.
Pre-flop, it's usually "Please don't raise me, I have a lukewarm hand and want to see a flop with a little initiative."
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In EP or MP I do this sometimes if I am first in the pot. I look at it as setting a price on a hand I am willing to play OOP and discounting it first in. If there is a reraise behind me that falls within the range of the price I was willing to pay originally I will call, especially if I close the betting. If I were on the button first in I sometime do this if I believe I can benefit more from the flop play than raising the blinds out.
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I agree with Irish here, postflop from a fishy player it is very often a draw. On a dry board from a weak player it isnt as clear and takes a read to really know what it means, but because its such a small bet you can pick up that read cheap, or just by watching him in other hands. Never really seen it from a tight player I would label as good though.
This thread made me remember a thread from 2+2 a few weeks back:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ge=1&fpart=all
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Miffed22001
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just auto raise it
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
just auto raise it
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Yay! I get to make monkey raise at will!
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TerryToma
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08-12-2006, 12:41 AM
Post subject: Re: The 1BB Bet
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PF usually means something like 99, JTs, QJo. Post flop it could mean a lot of things. minbet/call is usually a draw. minbet/rr AI usually a big hand. minbet/fold .. probably mid pair or pocket pair. I've seen 1bb bets take down multiway pots with on flops like Q33 rainbow (at 25NL).
I suppose there could be some merit in minraising a PP in the blinds to juice the pot incase you hit your set. However you could trigger someone who likes to limp/rr big with a high pocket pair to push you out of the pot. OTOH, I find a 2xbb raise from the blinds to be even more effective, as most players will call 2 more bb's after they already limped. Pot gets quite juicy.
If you want to look like a donk, and someone is talking like they are hot stuff at the table using poker terms in chat/taunting players it might be a good way to do it. Minbet a set into them to induce a big bet. Possible senario flop set, minbet flop/call. minbet turn, rr AI?
Of course look at huds.. minbet pf can mean a monster if they have never raised with 100 hands (obv).
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I like the idea of sometimes randomly minbetting when you wanted to check, just to look like a donk, lol.
Just be sure when you minbet you are OOP, first to act. You don't want to reopen the betting to get check/raised..
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
just auto raise it
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Yay! I get to make monkey raise at will! |
bingo bango bongo...I've seen it used so many times to get second best hands to stick their money in I'm learning to be wary of it. I'd love to know how it became so prevalent online though...monkey see monkey do?
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i sometimes do it with a made hand to invite a re-raise.
player who thinks he's good behind me thinks, what a fish, throws in a pot-sized re-raise with TPTK or similar, then i stick all my money in.
he usually calls as he's pretty sure i don't know what i'm doing.
then i take abuse for the next half-hour or so.
don't think this would work against really good players, but its very effective at $10 NL.
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ok it doesnt work all the time - but its probably more effective than the check-raise.
PF, i don't know, may do it with something like 10 8 sooted on the button to get more money in the pot in case i get my draw, then i can play it aggresively.
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JL
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I treat the min-bet to RR AI the same as the limp UTG to RR Preflop. Preflop that means AA or KK almost everytime...
Occasionally I run into the odd descent player who will min bet into me on the flop or turn knowing that I will raise him and then he insta-RR's me back....thats the easiest fold for me unless I'm holding the nuts. So I guess I cant really call him a descnet player if hes pulling that move, because that move is so damn obvious....unless hes a 'thinking' player and does this as a bluff, but I try to avoid those thinking players.
Come to think of it, that would be a damn good way to bluff a good player out of a pot.
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I sometimes (read: very occasionally - I have minbet postflop as often through misclicks as I have intentionally) use it against thinking players to see how they react - I'll have observed the player for a while before I try it so it can help give me further useful reads. I might have a weak hand, I might have a monster - it's really just their reaction I'm after.
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I love auto raising these!
It works 9 out of 10 times on a dry flop, and then sometimes the turn brings a good scare card. Like this hand that just happened to me...
Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
4 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $120.90
hero: $111.50
SB: $69.60
BB: $50.30
Pre-flop: (4 players) hero is Button with 5 7
UTG folds, hero raises to $3.5, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: T Q 2 ($8, 2 players)
SB bets $1, hero raises to $6, SB calls.
Turn: K ($20, 2 players)
SB bets $1, hero raises to $18, SB folds.
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chipfiddler
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if your opponent had hit, say, a set of 2's here, isn't this an awesome way of inducing a bluff?
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definitely yes, but 99% of my opponents who do this are not so tricky. I'd just make a note if someone does get tricky or whatnot, but the times it works seem to far outnumber the other times...at least so far.
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Ive seen minraise EP a lot lately. Suprisingly often its AA.
Following pattern on tight table. Preflop min raise. ->
3 callers. Flop pot sized bet.
Very often AA. I'd say 20-30% time. Especially if
raiser has bigger stack than buyin.
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Fnord
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Ive seen minraise EP a lot lately. Suprisingly often its AA.
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What site, stakes and max table size?
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Turska
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Full ring Poker network 25NL. You can see that 50 NL too but not
that much. 100NL and higher almost never.
And they are winning players.
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I love doing this in meaningless pots that get past the flop vs anyone as soon as i get to a table. for 1 bb i get a donk-image that is worth it s weight in gold vs taggs.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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