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TheLongGrind
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11-03-2011, 04:43 PM
Post subject: 135 bb deep. big flop vs aggro player postflop. standard stack off?
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Belgium
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villain : 17/11 AF:12, his agression on flops was something like 6.0. Saw him rr wet-ish flops before but in those cases he was the agressor unlike in this spot where i opened up the action on the flop. we're pretty deep so i figured he might have rebluffed me here. dunno how wide he can be here. I'm anxious to know whether this was spew or not. thnx
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($5.14)
UTG ($11.15)
UTG+1 ($4.93)
MP1 ($9.85)
MP2 ($6.82)
Hero (MP3) ($6.78)
CO ($1.90)
Button ($3)
SB ($6.06)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K , A
3 folds, MP2 bets $0.13, Hero calls $0.13, 2 folds, SB calls $0.11, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.44) 9 , 4, J (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets $0.30, Hero raises $1, 1 fold, MP2 raises $2.70, Hero raises $5.65 (All-In),
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d0zer
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the odds of him bluffing this board in a 3-way are slim to none, and there's not many draws he can have. if the SB is a fish it's best to call the first bet to keep them in. Stacking off with as much equity as you do vs 99+{-TT} can't be a mistake, but it may be more +EV to just call the flop (regardless of SB's fishiness)
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TheLongGrind
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Straight
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Quote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
the odds of him bluffing this board in a 3-way are slim to none, and there's not many draws he can have. if the SB is a fish it's best to call the first bet to keep them in. Stacking off with as much equity as you do vs 99+{-TT} can't be a mistake, but it may be more +EV to just call the flop (regardless of SB's fishiness)
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Thnx Dozer i was basically thinking the same when reviewing the situation. I get a nice potsize on the turn with enuf stacks behind to get funky if i think he is weak enuf to fold to agression or i cna make a play on the riv if he checks one. yeah the sb being involved is probably even more awsome.thanks for the confirmation  . I often feel that i ' ' overplay'' big situations like these. note to self : think more click less
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d0zer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLongGrind
think more click less
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Sounds pretty obvious, but it's worth repeating. You're not on your A game unless you're thinking through every decision carefully. It's tough to do for a sustained period, but with practice -- it becomes easier.
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Razvan729
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Full House
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why didnt you 3bet pre?
and as played, i agree calling is better then raise/call.
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BlackRain79
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I normally 3bet pre here. As played I probably just call on the flop considering how deep it is and having position.
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TheLongGrind
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Straight
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didn't 3 bet pre the dude was a nit pre but aggro post. I don't 3 bet just because it's a standard thing to do. especially not vs this guy having the suited version. I don't want him to fold pre having position on someone who is insanely agressive postflop. and i also agree calling is 10x better than raising here , cause my raise only makes worse hands folds except maybe a hand like KJ but that's about it.
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Micro2Macro
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if you aren't 3betting pre here then u certainly don't have the image to be inducing bullshit re-raises on this flop to make u feel comfortable getting this in given these positions.
no to forget mentioning he probably has very few worse draws he'd wanna play like this ur Kd is in fact, a significant blocker.
call flop at least the sb will have a wider range that includes more bs draws to potentially spew into u ur raise just iso's urself againt sets and then ur just calling to fold the turn 75% and making it obvious when u hit ur outs
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