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Old 08-12-2009, 06:21 PM     Post subject: 10NL: trip 7's w/ Jack kicker facing all in #1 (permalink)  

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This hand was pretty early in the session. I could tell this villain was limping in with a very wide range of hands, but I hadn't really gotten any reads on how he plays post-flop.

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Hero (BB) ($9.81)
UTG ($15.29)
MP ($18.37)
Villain (Button) ($7.09)
SB ($3.88)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, J
2 folds, Villain calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.30) A, 8, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Villain checks

Turn: ($0.30) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Villain bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1, Villain raises to $6.99 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ???

I figure the guy has a legitimate hand, but in the back on my mind I was wondering if he could be making a move with something like 10 9 of diamonds. I was also a little worried he might have been slow playing and made a set on the flop since, other than the fact that he liked to limp in a lot, I didn't have any reads on the guy.

Is my jack kicker likely to be good here?
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:51 PM #2 (permalink)  
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You need 42% equity (call 5.99 to win 8.29).

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.914% 53.00% 04.91% 653 60.50 { Js7c }
Hand 1: 42.086% 37.18% 04.91% 458 60.50 { 88, A8s-A7s, Td9d, 87s, 75s+, 6d5d, A8o-A7o, 87o, 75o+ }

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If you think that range is about accurate than call- but it's a good thread because I normally fold in a spot like that- I was a little surprised at our equity against that range.
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Old 08-12-2009, 08:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I can't imagine the villain not putting some sort of bet in if he hit the flop. If he's got two pair, (A7, 87) he has to start building a pot for value. He could have had a naked ace, and now that he has two pair, he feels better about getting a chop against another ace. He could have the 15-outer, as you suggest, and be happy to either win the hand here or get a call and chase. If he had 88, he's got to bet the flop at least a micro amount to see if you guys have anything to call with.

Of course, if he crushed the flop, he might be hoping one of you takes a stab at it, and could be stacking off with Ax, but without some read on him, it's tough to know.
 
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Yeah, he said that. But does he call the RRAI?
 
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I can't imagine the villain not putting some sort of bet in if he hit the flop. If he's got two pair, (A7, 87) he has to start building a pot for value. He could have had a naked ace, and now that he has two pair, he feels better about getting a chop against another ace. He could have the 15-outer, as you suggest, and be happy to either win the hand here or get a call and chase. If he had 88, he's got to bet the flop at least a micro amount to see if you guys have anything to call with.

Of course, if he crushed the flop, he might be hoping one of you takes a stab at it, and could be stacking off with Ax, but without some read on him, it's tough to know.
i guess i am a lowly 2nl player, but imo tons of people like to check their 2pairs, sets on the flop to try and slowplay, especially if he is a fish that is limpling a lot
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 Read this thread then post your own analysis of whether you should call or not.

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Old 08-13-2009, 07:16 PM #8 (permalink)  

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Well, the pot was 7.29, and it was going to be 5.99 to call, so I would have needed 45.1% equity to call. Using the most conservative range I could come up with (see below), it looks like I had 52% equity.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.652% 41.82% 10.83% 828 214.50 { Js7c }
Hand 1: 47.348% 36.52% 10.83% 723 214.50 { 88-77, A8s-A7s, K7s, Q7s, J7s, T7s, 97s, 87s, 75s+, A8o-A7o, K7o, Q7o, J7o, T7o, 97o, 87o, 75o+ }

Obviously, if you add in drawing hands like Td9d and 6d5d, my equity would have been even higher, so I guess calling was the right play.
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:21 AM #9 (permalink)  
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pot was 8.29 imo
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:09 PM #10 (permalink)  

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^^^ my mistake, thanks. So I guess I actually only needed 42% equity to call, and I think I had at least that against any range I can put him on.
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