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bigteif
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09-08-2008, 09:01 AM
Post subject: 10nl Tough spot
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($10.25)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($10.30)
MP2 ($11.10)
Hero (CO) ($15.05)
Button ($26.10)
SB ($7.80)
BB ($8.85)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J , A
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.25) 3 , 7 , J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, Button calls $0.80, BB calls $0.80
Turn: ($3.65) 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, 1 fold, BB calls $2
River: ($7.65) J (2 players)
BB bets $5.65 (All-In), Hero ?
Total pot: $18.95 | Rake: $0.90
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I snapcall because he has a jack with another kicker or even air here
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pilipolio
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Reads or stats would be welcome here, but I wouldn't fold against a standard NL10 villain. There are enough (badly played) JT, JQ, JK, countedfeited 57 or mid to over PP which think you cannot have a J when the river J comes to outweigh the possibles full houses with a small PP.
If opponnent is tight/nit, i would be more cautious given that he is calling on a pretty dry board and therefore may check turn behind. River would be a difficult decision anyway
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Pig_Vomit
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I reckon insta call. If he has 77 or 33 bad luck. I would have bet more on the flop.
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sil693
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bet more on flop, more on turn, snapcall river.
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oskar
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That is not a tough spot.
How can you possibly lay down top trips with top kicker? The only hands he could possibly have here that beat you are 33 or 77. Most of the time he'll have KJ, Qj, TJ, 9J, 8J, hoping you have an overpair and can't get away from it.
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The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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Muzzard
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[ ] tough spot
[x] snap call
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Clushy
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Originally Posted by pilipolio
If opponnent is tight/nit, i would be more cautious given that he is calling on a pretty dry board and therefore may check turn behind. River would be a difficult decision anyway
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no, river would still be a fist pump snap call. turn is an easy bet and i'm never ever folding here.
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Chopper
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thank him for pushing regardless of what he has here.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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sarbox68
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weaker J or two pair are a big part of his range... if he's got 46, 33 or 77, meh.... And it's moot anyway 'cause 1) you got top trips, top kicker and 2) you're getting better than 2:1 on your river call, and you're ahead significantly more frequently than 33% of the time...
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spoonitnow
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09-08-2008, 07:00 PM
Post subject: Re: 10nl Tough spot
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When you bet $0.80 on the flop and $2 on the turn, this is how BB's stack progresses through the hand:
On the flop, BB has $8.45 behind.
On the turn, BB has $7.65 behind.
On the river, BB has $5.65 behind into a pot of $7.65.
If instead you bet $1 on the flop, the turn pot will be $4.25 and BB would have $7.45 behind. If you bet $2.45 on the turn, the river pot will be $9.15 and Villain will only have $5 behind to push, making the river an easy call against his range.
Another quick consideration for bet-sizing against possible draws: suppose he had a flush draw and the heart hit on the river instead. On the turn he would be calling $2.45 in a pot of $6.70 when he has $5.65 left behind on the river, so he would be getting almost exactly 5:1 implied odds assuming you always called his shove when the river hit the heart. At that point there are 44 cards we haven't seen yet and 9 of those help him, giving him 4.9:1 on his money, making him slightly -EV on his turn call even if you always call the river shove when the heart hits.
If you bet a little more on the flop and keep the same percentage of the pot as a bet on the turn, you can make his situation with a flush draw even worse.
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drtofu66
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Call.
And don't forget to fistpump.
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pilipolio
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Originally Posted by Clushy
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Originally Posted by pilipolio
If opponnent is tight/nit, i would be more cautious given that he is calling on a pretty dry board and therefore may check turn behind. River would be a difficult decision anyway
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no, river would still be a fist pump snap call. turn is an easy bet and i'm never ever folding here. |
It seems like most of the people here consider it a snap call with few concerns to pot odds and/or villain range. I think this is a relatively easy call assuming we face a standard bad loose NL10 villain with a pot odd of 42%, but the problem gets tougher if villain is a nit or have more money behind.
Anyway, just my pinch of salt and forgive my bad english
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bigteif
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09-08-2008, 08:26 PM
Post subject: Re: 10nl Tough spot
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
When you bet $0.80 on the flop and $2 on the turn, this is how BB's stack progresses through the hand:
On the flop, BB has $8.45 behind.
On the turn, BB has $7.65 behind.
On the river, BB has $5.65 behind into a pot of $7.65.
If instead you bet $1 on the flop, the turn pot will be $4.25 and BB would have $7.45 behind. If you bet $2.45 on the turn, the river pot will be $9.15 and Villain will only have $5 behind to push, making the river an easy call against his range.
Another quick consideration for bet-sizing against possible draws: suppose he had a flush draw and the heart hit on the river instead. On the turn he would be calling $2.45 in a pot of $6.70 when he has $5.65 left behind on the river, so he would be getting almost exactly 5:1 implied odds assuming you always called his shove when the river hit the heart. At that point there are 44 cards we haven't seen yet and 9 of those help him, giving him 4.9:1 on his money, making him slightly -EV on his turn call even if you always call the river shove when the heart hits.
If you bet a little more on the flop and keep the same percentage of the pot as a bet on the turn, you can make his situation with a flush draw even worse.
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I think 3.9:1 on his money if I'm calculating it correct. I had no reads on this guy it was his second hand at the table.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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only a tough spot when op turns over a better hand.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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bigteif
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
only a tough spot when op turns over a better hand.
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How long should I wait to post result?
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Originally Posted by bigteif
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
only a tough spot when op turns over a better hand.
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How long should I wait to post result? |
Take it to the grave. Results don't matter.
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bigteif
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
only a tough spot when op turns over a better hand.
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or when your afraid he's gonna turn over the best hand.
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drtofu66
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Flush
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by bigteif
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
only a tough spot when op turns over a better hand.
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How long should I wait to post result? |
Take it to the grave. Results don't matter. |
I'm curious as to the result. Ah7h wouldn't surprise me, nor would 7h5h or 6h4h. I like our chances here but by no means am I sure we drag this pot.
And if the ultimate question about this hand is "How can I detect a set here?"-- you can't. Not with what you're holding and how this hand played out.
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