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Old 04-06-2009, 10:59 PM     Post subject: 10NL-Straight on very wet board #1 (permalink)  
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Villian is 28/0/0.4 over 30 hands
No reads
Villian have the flush?

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Hero (Button) ($10.10)
SB ($7.60)
BB ($12)
UTG ($10.75)
MP ($12)
CO ($9.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 8
UTG calls $0.10, MP bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.95) 9, 10, 7 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.40, UTG calls $1.40, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.75) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG raises to $8.75 (All-In), Hero ???
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:10 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Why are you 3-betting a great multi-way hand pf?
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Old 04-07-2009, 01:13 AM #3 (permalink)  
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.799% 14.18% 24.62% 131 227.50 { 8d8h }
Hand 1: 61.201% 36.58% 24.62% 338 227.50 { 88, AdKd, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, 98s, 87s, 98o, 87o }

Does that make sense?




The 3-bet really depends on reads on MP imo.
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Old 04-07-2009, 02:10 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I think call/fold here are both acceptable. But without any reads it's hard to give advice.

Pretty much, uber aggressive call. Nit fold. Not sure what else to say. I don't think your 8d would help you if another diamond came up in this situation.
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Old 04-07-2009, 02:18 AM #5 (permalink)  

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i think its alot more dependant on a read i mean most likely he probally jus hit the straight with you cuz if he hit the flush he might try and get a lil more value i think it would be a real loose call but like i said b4 i think it is quite read dependant (deffinitely not a bad fold though) if he is that bad of a playare to have 2 pair in that situation then u can always wait and take the idiots moiney l8ter
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Old 04-07-2009, 02:22 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 04-07-2009, 05:42 PM #7 (permalink)  

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In my opinion, please comment if you think I'm way off base.
Since your closing the betting (all-in), there aren't any more implied odds.
You need to add 5.75 to win 16.50, about 2.8 to 1.
Will you win 26% of the time or more? I'm not sure.

According to Oskar's poker stove if you add in the ties, yes.
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Old 04-07-2009, 06:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Vinland is an unknown quantity at this point
 I normally fold this without reads.
If I had reads that would help me out I might venture a call.
Only because a straight is probably the last thing he thinks you have given your three bet PF. I would put the possibility of him having air fairly high. I would close my eyes and hit "call"...
But without reads its tough to tell if he's that ballsy or trappy/bluffy...
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:19 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Why are you 3-betting a great multi-way hand pf?
Minbets tilt me.

This was the norm at this table. One minbets and they all want in on the action.

Several hands before this I had 66, flopped a set in a 3way pot and my hand was the worst of the three. One guy rivered a flush and the other rivered a str8.
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:26 PM #10 (permalink)  
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idk i woulda called heres my sweet reasoning

i jut feel like its smarter to assume someone is a donk than a good player and i mean what do u think hes calling you with preflop?
its hard for me to assume hes playing 2 diamonds unless theyre AK or AQ and if thats the case he has the nuts and has no reason to go all in cuz hes got you crushed and he knows ur gonna keep firing
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:23 AM #11 (permalink)  
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idk i woulda called heres my sweet reasoning

i jut feel like its smarter to assume someone is a donk than a good player and i mean what do u think hes calling you with preflop?
its hard for me to assume hes playing 2 diamonds unless theyre AK or AQ and if thats the case he has the nuts and has no reason to go all in cuz hes got you crushed and he knows ur gonna keep firing
But he did limp in before the 3bet. But then again he seems to always limp in or call.
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Old 04-08-2009, 02:09 AM #12 (permalink)  
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could be but if ur saying that he was limping UTG to trap u have to put him on AA or KK maybe he went in to get you off a draw
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Old 04-08-2009, 02:44 AM     Post subject: Re: 10NL-Straight on very wet board #13 (permalink)  
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Villian is 28/0/0.4 over 30 hands
No reads
Villian have the flush?

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Hero (Button) ($10.10)
SB ($7.60)
BB ($12)
UTG ($10.75)
MP ($12)
CO ($9.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 8
UTG calls $0.10, MP bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.95) 9, 10, 7 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.40, UTG calls $1.40, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.75) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG raises to $8.75 (All-In), Hero ???
Insta-fold.
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Old 04-08-2009, 03:38 AM #14 (permalink)  
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lol when you have 88 on the button you should love a limp and a minraise, guaranteed you'll play a multiway pot in position
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