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oskar
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11-13-2008, 01:23 PM
Post subject: 10NL stats - 10k checkup
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Played a little closer to 15k hands, and made €535 profit - import failed on quite a number of hands - have to use hhconverter to convert from boss to party format, and then I can import into PokerOffice. It shows €100 less profit, and 25% less hands than played.
Hi/Lo stats are screwed up - only counts if I win the high. 5draw is nowhere to be found...
Anyway. Just 10NL - mostly full-ring. Very little 5-max:
Ok, now:
SB wtf! How did I do that?
Secondly I seem to be shockingly unaware of position. I guess it's due to the fact that I don't like raising marginal hands with a couple of limpers, and they love to limp!
I've changed that during the last cuple of sessions. I'm now opening QK, KJs from CO and button with a couple of limpers. - being careful though. I've seen a couple of players limp-calling AQ, AK and check-calling if they hit it.
Standard raise at FR has been 8bb+1 That usually gets me to the flop with one or two players. Played kind of passive on the flop. Not c-betting a whole lot and giving up to most raises - they're loose, but they're also passive as hell. If I hit it I play it fast.
And just because it's so damn sexy:
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kettleofish
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Am I reading that right, do u have a WTSD% of 5.85 and yet you're up 53 buyins in 15K hands? I've gotta be missing something, that's fucking inssssane. I'd open fold a set to u on a dry board!
In all seriousness tho, does PokerOffice calc it differently? Is that a % of all hands rather than hands that you saw a flop with? It must be.
In terms of real advice I'm not really sure what to say. Ya u are prob running hot from SB, small sample blahblahblah. But dude, 53BI's, move the fuck up 
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oskar
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Sorry - total stats noob:
From the internetz:
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WTSD is the percentage of the time you go to showdown after seeing a flop.
WTSD can be a good indication you are going to showdown too often with weak or marginal hands. It can also tell you if you are playing too tight or perhaps folding too much with hands you maybe should go to showdown with.
A good number is generally around 25-30%.
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I guess what could be happening here is that I refuse to participate in the minbet wars. I limp sc's and pocket pairs behind occasionally, and give up rather easily - calling stations - no point in bluffing/semi-bluffing for the most part.
I'll be staying at this level for a while. There are little €20NL tables open there, so I'll have to play mostly 10NL until I'm rolled for 50NL.
10NL is the lowest level at that site, so there is a lot of first-deposit dead money to get. I'm not playing like a god or running unbelievably hot, although my JJ-flop-set-o-meter is close to esploding.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by oskar
I'm not...running unbelievably hot
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sorry to burst your bubble but yes you are
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oskar
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I'm playing at win2day - an austrians-only network.
Level of play is way worse than the lowest micro limits on party, pokerroom and stars. It's an online home game basically. No inbreeding jokes!
A good part of the players don't even fully understand the rules.
Still, I'll be stuck at 10NL for at least another month, so I'd appreciate some constructive criticism.
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Fnord
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Don't mix short-handed and full ring stats. If there is 5-max in here, you're playing nitty and running good (your hands are probably holding up more often than expected.)
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Fnord
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What's the rake structure? If it's 5% or better yet unraked under a buck you could be playing quite a few more hands.
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oskar
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Maximum 1k hands of 5-max. I played 6-8 tables full ring mostly. The few winning regulars are also playing on half of the tables that are available, and we just avoid each other for the most part.
The game in this room has developed a weired dynamic. There are few people seeing less than 40% of flops at FR. Standard bets are 1/4 of the pot in a 5-way pot, and they scream bloody murder when somebody cracks their aces.
I got people to play for stacks with second pair and "wtf did he think he has" type of hands.
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oskar
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2.5% rake up to €2
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by oskar
2.5% rake up to €2
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I would play a lot of hands in that game.
Basically every time you have the button, try hard to find an excuse to isolate, cold-call or over-limp when the dead money enters the pot. When it's just a nit or two in the pot, don't make those loose plays. Like Q9s is going to often be a profitable hand and you can bet top pair for value with impunity.
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Illfavor
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This is running hot, right? 18BB/100 is crazy, right?
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Ich grolle nicht...
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Originally Posted by Illfavor
This is running hot, right? 18BB/100 is crazy, right?
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I lose 18bb/100 pretty regularly..
So winning it shouldn't be that hard right?
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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oskar
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Not for the guy on your left.
It's not doable on any other site that I've played at so far. How often do you get a call when you open for 8bb+ on stars?
But even today - had the worst session in a long time.
Worst hand was: 200bb stacks I raise the limpers from the sb with J J at 20NL. Board is Q 9 9 2 - I bet 1/2psb on the flop and planned to check-call the turn, but he bets half his stack. I fold and he shows 88 - tells me he thought I had AK.
I mean...
Still up 2 buy-ins.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by oskar
Not for the guy on your left.
It's not doable on any other site that I've played at so far. How often do you get a call when you open for 8bb+ on stars?
But even today - had the worst session in a long time.
Worst hand was: 200bb stacks I raise the limpers from the sb with J J at 20NL. Board is Q 9 9 2 - I bet 1/2psb on the flop and planned to check-call the turn, but he bets half his stack. I fold and he shows 88 - tells me he thought I had AK.
I mean...
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you are running hot. 18bb/100 is not sustainable at any site unless maybe you are the best microstakes player like ever, and not even then.
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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It's sustainable if you're ISF imo
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If he's on some crazy fishy euro site 18bb/100 might not be too far off.
I ran 15ptbb/100 over 25k hands at 50NL pre UIEGA, now I'm a marginal winner at 25NL even though I have a way better understanding of the game, so yeah...
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oskar
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If you have ever played 200NL live - pretty much like that. Minus the scared money.
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