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Old 05-28-2009, 08:36 AM     Post subject: 10NL : Spewy Turn Bet vs Nit ? #1 (permalink)  
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So villian is a super nit, probably playing like 10 tables or something silly.

If i had to put villian on a range i would say AK 22-JJ. Mostly cos i think being so nitty he chucks AQ and look like a set miner. So i am in position with a gutterball, two overs and i believe i can make better hands like AK 22-66 fold. Standard Cbet imo.

After he flats my flop bet how do i adjust his range ? I would venture an initial guess in saying AhKh, 77-JJ. I would think that hands like 99-JJ would have gone for a c/r on the flop or even donked out to protect. So unless this nit plays 99-JJ that bad i have to think i must weight his range away from that a lot. So i would then think mostly this villian has flopped a boat or turned his nut flush. So the Jhigh flush draw and gutterball i have on turn are worthless.

Therefore turn bet = spew ?

Lets say the turn was a non heart woukld this change much only meaning we are ahead of the AhKh, also the badly played 99-JJ will call turn bet if they c/c a flop bet. So cant get any of those better hands to fold.

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UTG: $9.95
MP: $20.65
Hero (CO): $10.45
BTN: $2.80
SB: $16.05
BB: $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 9 J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 8 7 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, SB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.70) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero?
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:51 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Yeah I think I'm checking turn here and re-assesing on the river...
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:54 AM #3 (permalink)  
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he's not c/r with 99-JJ he's just calling because he's afraid you have him beat

check behind, hit straight flush and stack his boat imo?
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:59 AM #4 (permalink)  
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So that is how most super nits play their 99-JJ in this spot ? Good to know. Such a bad way to play 99-JJ tho imo.
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So that is how most super nits play their 99-JJ in this spot ? Good to know. Such a bad way to play 99-JJ tho imo.
they don't want to play for stacks unless they have the nuts, duh
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:48 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 What is the best way to play 99-JJ here then from villain's perspective.

C/R?
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:11 AM #7 (permalink)  
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What is the best way to play 99-JJ here then from villain's perspective.

C/R?
Well m2m since no one responded to your question I would assume that check calling such pairs here is fine so we can allow villain to keep spewing cbets into us with his entire cbetting range. A check raise would essentially be a bluff or for 'protection' I guess, since there are a number of rivers which would put us in a fairly shitty spot. With that said, depending on the villain check calling or check raising could be fine, though it would depend on their ranges, th way they perceive your range, and how you would expect them to react to each action.
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:52 AM #8 (permalink)  
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lol
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Old 05-30-2009, 08:58 AM #9 (permalink)  
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@Micro2Macro : Please continue the conversation with yourself ! I find it very educational
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Old 05-31-2009, 04:30 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 my attempt to get this thread back on track has been a fail.

clearly there is some secret iopq is keeping from us in this spot.

oh good choice on the avatar, now I can identify you since I don't read names anymore.
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:21 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Well for me i have conlcuded in this hand that checking the turn is best and from villian perspective the c/c line on flop with JJ-99 is good most of the time.
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