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Old 04-25-2010, 03:01 AM     Post subject: 10nl, some guy calls ip, should i cbet this flop? #1 (permalink)  
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 villain is like 22/10/30(AFq)

I feel like i can cbet for value, but then if he calls im not sure where im at , so do i check for pot control?
He could have a FD from mid to high SC's, he could have a Tx broadway here, and he can have Ax.

Since im value betting should i have cbet smaller?

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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UTG Dyadya Blef ($12.40)
UTG+1 bmnziny ($8.95)
MP1 Hero ($10.75)
MP2 LivLifeGreen ($12.35)
CO CME-225 ($10.55)
BTN HiIAmGluk ($11.75)
SB günter54 ($3)
BB anselmista ($10.70)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is MP1
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, LivLifeGreen calls $0.40, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.95, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, LivLifeGreen calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.35, 2 players)
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I bet about 60 then check turn. If you dont bet you're giving FDs a free look at a turn diamond when you dont even have one, so def give them a bad price. 2

2/10 is not super fishy but you could get value from Tx broadways like you said. I dont think he bets the turn with worse than your queens here. He'll probably check behind an FD here for certain.
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Old 04-25-2010, 06:06 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Ok a couple of things. Bet the board not your hand. Try to put him on a range and if it hits a lot (yet we are still value betting) then bet larger. If it doesn't hit his range a lot and we are value betting just bet smaller. He can have a lot of draws because of his passiveness plus a lot of Ax but also Tx which makes me want to bet the turn again. Plus, it helps us in that we WON'T get bluffed in this spot which is a concept ISF has talked about before. If he raises we easily muck.
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Old 04-25-2010, 05:30 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 What kmind said, obv, but my pokerz really improved after reading an article by Chris Ferguson; I think it was a chapter in one of the Full Tilt books.

He said that his decision-making about flop bet sizing goes like this. First, put the villain on range. Second, based on the board and villain's range, decide on his bet size. Third, he would think about his cards and decide IF he wants to bet. Fourth, if he chooses to bet, he bets whatever size he decided on BEFORE considering his cards. Another thing to consider before betting the flop is whether you're barreling the turn if a blank hits, and what you'll do if a K or diamond hits.

To answer your questions, I think your bet sizing is about right, though I would not argue if you bet .60 instead. The board has draws, but it's actually a pretty good board for you given his range.

This is FR. At 6m, I would almost always feel pretty comfortable firing a second barrel here. Here, the decision is closer, but I think a turn bet of about 3/5 pot would be a value bet. If he calls the turn, he's not afraid of you having Ax, like kmind mentioned. If he raises the flop or turn, you're beat.

This is one of those spots where we need several really good HUD stat reads or some note on his postflop play to be really accurate with our turn play.

One thing that has changed since I began playing 3 years ago is the amount of auto-calling cbets that occurs. This is a good read to get and make note of. Does villain "chase" any cbet with just a few outs? Does he often call the flop and fold the turn? If so, I'm 2-barreling him tons in spots like this.
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:21 PM #5 (permalink)  
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At 6m, I would almost always feel pretty comfortable firing a second barrel here. Here, the decision is closer, but I think a turn bet of about 3/5 pot would be a value bet. If he calls the turn, he's not afraid of you having Ax, like kmind mentioned. If he raises the flop or turn, you're beat.
What would you guys do on the river? I'm kind of stumped on what the best plan would be. Say if the river bricks, are we check/folding here? A defensive bet? Or check/calling? Also if we're check/calling, is there a limit to what we should call (like if he makes a pot sized bet)?
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Old 04-26-2010, 10:32 AM #6 (permalink)  
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villain is like 22/10/30(AFq)

I feel like i can cbet for value, but then if he calls im not sure where im at , so do i check for pot control?
He could have a FD from mid to high SC's, he could have a Tx broadway here, and he can have Ax.

Since im value betting should i have cbet smaller?
I do not like a turn bet here.
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Old 04-26-2010, 02:12 PM #7 (permalink)  
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What would you guys do on the river? I'm kind of stumped on what the best plan would be. Say if the river bricks, are we check/folding here? A defensive bet? Or check/calling? Also if we're check/calling, is there a limit to what we should call (like if he makes a pot sized bet)?
I'd fold the river to anything but the most ridiculously tiny bet.
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Old 04-28-2010, 02:55 AM #8 (permalink)  
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I think I'd c/c turn c/f river
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:01 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Bet less on this flop to let his crap peel.
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