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Evilpopcorn
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06-02-2009, 07:59 PM
Post subject: 10NL : Ship it ?
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 232
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Villian Stats : (VP$IP/PFR [Street Aggression] 3-bet%)
Less than 20 hands.
My Thoughts And Questions
So he min raises me in position with lots of other players left to act. I would think a strong hand he would raise harder. He is an unknown so who knows tho.
Get it on the flop all in good ?
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
BB: $10.00
Hero (UTG): $11.05
MP: $9.90
CO: $10.00
BTN: $28.65
SB: $11.00
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($1.50) J 7 T (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, MP raises to $2.40, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero raises to $10.75 all in, MP calls $7.20 all in
Turn: ($20.70) K (2 players - 2 are all in)
River: ($20.70) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)
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mixchange
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4-of-a-Kind
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this is a really bad board for an overpair, especially in a 5 way pot. if you are raised on the flop its a snapfold. nobody is bluffing and this smacked their range
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miniboss
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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That board looks pretty bad for AA, esp when raised... i would raise more preflop, like 5-6x bb
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mixchange
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4-of-a-Kind
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ignore miniboss, make a standard raise
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miniboss
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Originally Posted by mixchange
ignore miniboss, make a standard raise
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Don't you think 3xbb is too low?
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Evilpopcorn
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Yeah when we were 5 ways to the flop was not feeling to good. Then when he makes the min raise on a drawy board and action is back to me and we are hu i thought that he would bet his stronger hands harder as when he made the raise there were alot of players still to act. So i pretty much put him on a weak jack or straight and flush draws and shipped.
So am i basically over thinking it at 10NL? Trying to dumb it down as in "Guy min raised me in a pot with lots of players he must have strong hand and trying to get value from everyone"
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Originally Posted by mixchange
ignore miniboss, make a standard raise
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but 4x IS my standard raise from UTG
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AFchung
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UCLA
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Originally Posted by miniboss
That board looks pretty bad for AA, esp when raised... i would raise more preflop, like 5-6x bb
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we're utg, so 4x is more standard
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mixchange
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by Evilpopcorn
Yeah when we were 5 ways to the flop was not feeling to good. Then when he makes the min raise on a drawy board and action is back to me and we are hu i thought that he would bet his stronger hands harder as when he made the raise there were alot of players still to act. So i pretty much put him on a weak jack or straight and flush draws and shipped.
So am i basically over thinking it at 10NL? Trying to dumb it down as in "Guy min raised me in a pot with lots of players he must have strong hand and trying to get value from everyone"
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It is simple, but more that the flop has been seen by so many players and the board texture favors their range. Thus you have a very low chance of having the best hand when someone raises flop.
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ColdDecked
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Straight
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by miniboss
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Originally Posted by mixchange
ignore miniboss, make a standard raise
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Don't you think 3xbb is too low? |
Don't change your raise size depending on the strength of you hand. You'd make your hands super transparent that way.
JTx 2 tone boards are disgusting for AA. You could call if you had the Ac here and see if you might catch your backdoor flush/combo draw, but this is sadly a fold in a 5 way pot.
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kmind
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
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3betting is the worst play with folding being better than calling. If this was HU it'd be more interesting.
Also raise at least 4x at these stakes.
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