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Sasquach991

01-16-2009, 05:48 AM Post subject: 10NL-Several hands-Help Please

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I''m really getting hammered lately and I've looked for leaks but I seem to be playing like I have been for the last month. I'm not sure what to do. Variance?

There are results for some hands.

Everyone of these villians are 45/XX/XX or more

Hand 1
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (3 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($10.15)
Button ($5.40)
SB ($4)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, A

1 fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.40, SB raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $10.15 (All-In), SB calls $3.30 (All-In)

Flop: ($8) 10

, Q

, 7

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($8) 10

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($8) K

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $8 | Rake: $0.40

Hand 2

What kind of idiot calls a $1 preflop bet with 47o?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($18.70)
Button ($9.60)
SB ($7.60)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($10.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, K

2 folds, Button raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $0.70, SB calls $0.70

Flop: ($3) J

, 7

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, Button calls $2, 1 fold

Turn: ($7) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $7 (All-In), Button calls $6.60 (All-In)

River: ($20.20) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.20 | Rake: $0.95

Results:
Button had 7

, 4

(full house, sevens over Jacks).
Hero had K

, K

(two pair, Kings and Jacks).
Outcome: Button won $19.25

Hand 3

This was the very next hand and I didn't get a chance to reload. Probably for the best considering the outcome.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($18.70)
MP ($19.25)
Button ($6.60)
Hero (SB) ($0.40)
BB ($10.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, Q

UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, Button calls $0.30, Hero raises to $0.40 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10

Flop: ($1.70) 4

, 5

, 2

(4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG bets $0.90, MP calls $0.90, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.50) Q

(3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, MP checks

River: ($3.50) 7

(3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG bets $2.80, 1 fold

Total pot: $3.50 | Rake: $0.15

Results:
Hero mucked Q

, Q

(three of a kind, Queens).
UTG had A

, J

(flush, Ace high).
Outcome: UTG won $3.35

Hand 4

Was I obviously beat here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($3.90)
CO ($10.80)
Button ($7.45)
SB ($9.90)
Hero (BB) ($10.60)
UTG ($27.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2

, 2

UTG raises to $0.20, MP raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.10

Flop: ($1.50) 4

, 4

, 8

(5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button checks

Turn: ($1.50) 7

(5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button bets $0.30, SB calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30, 1 fold

River: ($2.70) 2

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10 (All-In), UTG calls $10, 2 folds

Total pot: $22.70 | Rake: $1.10

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Illfavor

01-16-2009, 05:59 AM

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H1- Don't post hands where you get it AI preflop with the best possible hand.

H2- I 3bet preflop to waaay more if you're going to 3bet, to like $1.5 or so. You don't want multiway OOP 3bet pots. You really want them to fold preflop. Afterwards, maybe a little less on the flop. That turn card really sucks. I think you could have gotten away from this one. You're pretty much hoping he has QQ, b/c that's the only other hand that might call that you beat.

H3- See H1, very similar.

H4- I fold that turn. Your hand isn't good there, and you aren't getting odds for a 2outer really. On the river...wtf with your shove? Tilting maybe? You may not have been obviously beat but what inferior hand is calling that shove? Even idiots usually bet flopped trips in 5-way pots, so even that's unlikely. Why make a bet that 80% of the time wins nothing extra and 20% of the time loses you your stack?

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kmind

01-16-2009, 05:59 AM

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The first 3 hands don't belong in a forum trying to help you out with your play

The last one just bet pot. I mean honestly I never really overbet but if these guys are calling with worse than by all means do it. You really failed to put anyone on ranges here and most likely during your sessions you think mainly of your cards and at points give generalizations of villains when in reality you should focus on details.

Hand 2 is played very poorly anyways but if you posted the results then just ship it to a tilt thread or something.

bigspenda73

01-16-2009, 06:02 AM

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Hand 1- you don't need to make it 40 cents PF against his stack size, 30 cents is more than enough.

Hand 2- PF is too small, 1.25 minimum

turn play seems awful, my guess is you got to the turn, were scared that if you checked he would bet and you would have to make a decision so you shipped KK. However, this bet is bad in the sense that he'll never call you with a worse hand and he's never folding a better hand (Jx 7x). Also, would you ever ever ever take this line with a full house or quads?

Hand 3- I don't know why you posted this, you took a bad beat, it's happened before. This is not the sympathy forum, that's why we have a "tilt" forum.

Hand 4- PF is fine, turn is awful, just fold 5 ways. I dislike the overbet on the river with the action in the hand. If you had like 55 and the river was a 5 I'd like it a lot more because 6x is quite a possibility in a 4-5 person pot. However, after everyone has shown such weakness I'd make more of a 1/2psb designed to get looked up by like 7x.

dranger7070

01-16-2009, 09:11 AM

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dranger7070 has a little shameless behaviour in the past

Hand #1: is fine. You get it in PF if you can with AA everytime. Don't worry about it.

Hand #2: What are you trying to do on this turn by shoving? If he has any piece of this board he's got you dominated. I understand your flop bet, maybe make it a little closer to pot like $2.50-$2.75, but that's beside the point. You really need think about just check/calling a small bet, or check/folding to a bigger bet here.

Hand #3: Yea it IS a good thing that you were short stacked I guess, but obviously just variance; nothing you can do.

Hand #4: You didn't post results, but obviously you lost I'm guessing. Um... I don't think it's OBVIOUS you are beat, but you aren't going to value out of worse hands very often I don't think by open shoving the river. Maybe you get a terribly played 4 to call, but who knows? Maybe bet pot or close to it.

chrisa

01-16-2009, 09:23 AM

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Hand 4 - Why the huge bet? If they called, you were beat most of the time.

Sasquach991

01-16-2009, 03:19 PM

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Thanks for the comments. I posted this right after quitting for the night so I was a bit tilted.

Hands 1 and 3 def belong in the tilt forum. Sorry about that.

Hand 2- I see that the bet was too small now. Seem like I either overbet or underbet every hand I post.
"turn play seems awful, my guess is you got to the turn, were scared that if you checked he would bet and you would have to make a decision so you shipped KK. However, this bet is bad in the sense that he'll never call you with a worse hand and he's never folding a better hand (Jx 7x). Also, would you ever ever ever take this line with a full house or quads? "

Are you asking if I would slowplay quads or a full house and then push on the river? If so then the answer is no.

I actually thought villians didn't have a hand here because of the check, check, check. Evidently one villian was just waiting for someone to bet.
I think you have found my biggest leak. Seems like very time I see a board that may have me beat I push instead of checking so I won't have to fold my monster pair, etc. on a bet.
I did the same thing in this hand:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...aw-t80783.html
And in all three of these:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ds-t80724.html

Hand 4- Obviously I did the same thing here too.

Now we're getting somewhere. Looks like I just started doing this recently. Thanks for the help.

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