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Vinland
Old 02-04-2010, 04:09 PM     Post subject: 10nl - Range help and street options... #1 (permalink)  
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 I'm having a hard time either putting opps on ranges, deciding the best play once I make that range or both.
Any help is appreciated.

Hand 1) 6 max
Villain has played 8 hands.

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SB ($1.50)
BB ($11.35)
UTG ($10)
Villain (MP) ($11.75)
CO ($5.30)
Hero (Button) ($14.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
1 fold, Villain bets $0.20, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Villain calls $0.40
He raises small from UTG2 and calls my 3bet, range: 66+, KJ+, AT+

Flop: ($1.35) 2, 6, 10 (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $0.80, Villain calls $0.80

I dont see how the flop helps him much so I make a smaller than usual value bet and am happy he calls.

Turn: ($2.95) J (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $1.80, Villain raises to $3.60, Hero ?

I am confused with what he would do this with. I figure he can have:
TT, JJ, QQ+, AJ, KJ. Am I missing anything?
I'm not folding but do I shove now or later?

Hand 2) 6max
Villain was 33/30/3.7 over 83
He was quite aggro, constantly stealing blinds but showed the ability to laydown when 3bet. He didn't appear to overplay his hands for 3 streets and I felt he wasnt much of a calling station. He was somewhat positionally aware.

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SB ($1.85)
BB ($11.35)
UTG ($10.30)
Villain (MP) ($27.55)
CO ($5)
Hero (Button) ($15.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, 10
1 fold, Villain bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds
I believe his range pre is 22+, QJ, KT+, A9+

Flop: ($0.75) 5, Q, 2 (2 players)
Villain bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, Villain calls $0.80

I think he cbets any board so I decide to bluff and reraise. If he had QQ+, 22 or 55 I think he gets it in so his call tells me that perhaps he has 66-JJ, KQ, AQ, AK
Turn: ($3.15) 4 (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets ?

He checks, and I really feel like he's checking to a) exercise pot control and b) see if I am giving up on the pot after his call on the flop so I decide to 2nd barrel. What would I choose for a bet size?

Hand 3) FR
Villain was 31/16/inf over 49
Somewhat positionally aware, seemed honest when he bet.
Are we any good at any point in the hand? I had a hard time putting him on a range and on deciding the best course of action on the last 2 streets for sure.

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Villain (UTG) ($32.95)
UTG+1 ($21.80)
MP1 ($10.50)
Hero (MP2) ($10.40)
MP3 ($12.85)
CO ($11.25)
Button ($7)
SB ($1.90)
BB ($4)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J
Villain bets $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.40, 4 folds, BB calls $0.30
UTG raise I put a range of 66+, AT+, KQ+
I dont see much point in 3betting b/c I feel he would just fold out what I am well ahead of and continue with hands that beat me or are toss ups like AQ, KQ, AK

Flop: ($1.25) Q, 3, 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Villain bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, 1 fold

I think he cbets many boards after raising UTG so I just call. Again, I dont reraise because I'll only fold out worse imo and force him to take the top part of his range into the turn.


Turn: ($2.45) 4 (2 players)
Villain bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20
Now I'm a bit lost. I put his range at AQ+, TT+, KQ+
I call again but dont know if this is a fold...I'm getting to the point where I dont see him betting too much that I am ahead of. Everyone agree?

River: ($4.85) 8 (2 players)
Villain bets $1.60, Hero ?

Now I'm more clear. I am pretty sure he only bets river with KQ, AQ, QQ+ so a fold is in order...thoughts?
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:31 PM #2 (permalink)  
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By no means am I endorsing my own plays, but here we go..

Hand 1:

PRE: I would raise at least 4x (edit - 4x HIS raise, not bb) preflop, to punish that minraise BS.
FLOP: I'm betting more like $1.10 for value and to charge the draw.

TURN: I'm not worried about JT, because I think he plays flop more aggro w/ TP, and I'm not worried about JJ for the same reason. So I'm shoving over the c/r on turn so he doesn't beat me to it on river.

Hand 2:

PRE: I think his range is actually wider than what you assigned. He's got a big stack and you've got position, so I'll see the flop.
FLOP: Flop sucks for your hand, I just let it go, but as played...
TURN: Check Check
RIVER: Check Check ---- Just wanna see his cards at this point, but I'm not paying for 'em

Hand 3:

PRE: I like just your call, rather than 3betting.
FLOP: Definitely raising this up to about $2 and reevaluating the action from there.
TURN: Evaluate
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
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hand 1 meh, im not folding, probably all your bets should be slightly bigger, there are a lot of cards that can scare off a river... id probably like time down then shove, he has like half his stack committed. your pre range is a pretty weak for a 3bet calling range, thats more likely to be his original raising range.

hand 2 i bet and expect a fold, if u get called i bet river big whether i hit or miss a lot of the time

hand 3 i 3bet but call is fine i think, id rather triple his flop bet and u end up gaining more info for the same price as calling flop and turn
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:16 PM #4 (permalink)  
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for people wanting to raise the flop on hand 3, why? do you think worse hands are calling, or are you doing it just as a bluff?

i just looked at the third hand, and i'd think about 3betting it preflop (depending just how positionally aware villain was) and as played i'd fold to the turn bet..maybe fold to flop. but probably not.
<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

JR: lets do it JUAN
JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds
 
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:22 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Eragotte wrote:
your pre range is a pretty weak for a 3bet calling range, thats more likely to be his original raising range.

I disagree with you in this hand b/c his raise was so small to begin with. Had he raised to .40 and I 3bet to 1.20 then yes thats a weak range, but here he's calling .60 with the possibility to set mine and double up with plenty of odds.
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:37 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by nish81
for people wanting to raise the flop on hand 3, why? do you think worse hands are calling, or are you doing it just as a bluff?

i just looked at the third hand, and i'd think about 3betting it preflop (depending just how positionally aware villain was) and as played i'd fold to the turn bet..maybe fold to flop. but probably not.
I raise to get BB to fold worse and get information (and possibly a free card) from villian. If V folds and I take it down now, great. If he raises, pretty easy fold. If he calls me, then barrells the turn, we may have to rethink our hand strength.
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Old 02-04-2010, 08:34 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by nish81
for people wanting to raise the flop on hand 3, why? do you think worse hands are calling, or are you doing it just as a bluff?

i just looked at the third hand, and i'd think about 3betting it preflop (depending just how positionally aware villain was) and as played i'd fold to the turn bet..maybe fold to flop. but probably not.
I raise to get BB to fold worse and get information (and possibly a free card) from villian. If V folds and I take it down now, great. If he raises, pretty easy fold. If he calls me, then barrells the turn, we may have to rethink our hand strength.
In response to your points:

- i'd rather not have BB fold worse, I'd like to keep him in with worse since we beat worse and would like calls from it
- we're not drawing to any hand, so I don't think getting a free card possibly is a major advantage
- I dont like raising just for information; imo it's either to get calls from worse or folds from better, neither of which I think happen here
<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

JR: lets do it JUAN
JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds
 
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Old 02-04-2010, 09:54 PM #8 (permalink)  
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"i'd rather not have BB fold worse..." Good point, although I do think this hand is better played against one opponent.

"...so I dont think getting a free card possibly is a major advantage" Another good point, maybe what I should have said is "slow down V's aggression"

I do like to get information for further streets though. Possible leak? I'll have to look at other similar hands.

Your line is 3bet pre, call flop, fold turn?

Not trying to hijack this OP
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Old 02-04-2010, 09:59 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Hand 3) I dont like to raise to "see where I'm at". IMO in this hand raising the flop would bloat a pot that I am likely behind if he calls and fold out hands that I beat. If I just call, he may bet again with hands I can beat.
Basically a raise on the flop will make me no more money in the hand if I am ahead. That was my thinking anyway.
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:53 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1.
Ugh - puke then call and call a river bet. Unless 10nl has become 'i only raise wif set' then you arent folding here...

hand 2.
Dumb - what equity do you have against his range? Also, his hand range is relativly solid on that flop so you want this raise to be more value and semi-bluff than pure bluff.

hand 3
Calling the flop is fine - a Queen doesnt help as much of his range as an A or K does - but when he fires the turn muck. If he checked to you on the turn then you probably bet...
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