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cleanup.that
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09-25-2009, 02:46 AM
Post subject: 10nl raise the flop bet?
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3-of-a-Kind
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Hey guys, Villain in this one is running like 10/6 over 60ish hands. I had been opening a fair bit from late position and this is the 3rd time he has 3 bet me from the blinds although his sizing is much smaller this time. I decided to call on odds alone. Is this bad?? Also what is my move on this flop? Any and all comments on the hand are appreciated! Thanks!
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($17.60)
SB ($11.40)
BB ($7.60)
UTG ($10.45)
MP ($9.45)
CO ($11.20)
Preflop: Hero is Button with  , 
3 folds, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.40
Flop: ($1.45)  ,  ,  (2 players)
BB bets $0.80 , Hero ???
Total pot: $1.45
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call just to see if he has AK
and then fold turn
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
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Why in the world would you consider raising the flop?
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Full House
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Why in the world would you consider raising the flop?
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to get him off AA obv.
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Micro2Macro
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meh...I guess I fold pre I dunno, if it was a min 3b I'd call and if it was 3x or > I'd fold but given his sizing I'm somewhat on the fence..I fold because of villain's ldo tightness, our hand doesn't really have that much potential.
Even if he's 3betting us somewhat light with like KQ or QJ we're dominated lol.
edit: 'light for a nit'
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Donkafelts
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This preflop call is ok? I'd consider 4 betting light if he is 3 betting you really light, but how is calling ok?
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well 3b's so small we can two pair/trips/flush/straight mine
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Donkafelts
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Straight
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Anyone know how often we hit any of that?
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Donkafelts
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Straight
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We are risking $.40 to win $1.15 + his $6.9 behind. If we get 75% of his remaining stack on average we need to make those hands 6.32% of the time. Btw, that 75% is really high cause we get set over setted/sucked out on some, and since he has been 3 betting he could have JcTc and shut down after c bet very easily.
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JKDS
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hes 3betting your button fairly often, his range isnt KK+, AK. Hes got alot more shit in there, maybe as wide as TT+, AJ+.
calling pre is fine just cuz u can position rape him and the 3b is small
flop obv call, lets see the turn?
@odds to hit question, total chance to hit like 2pair+ is around 3% or so, but we'll get a flush draw or a flush about 11.5% of the time, and like 2.4% or so to flop an 8 outer/or a straight.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Donkafelts
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Originally Posted by JKDS
hes 3betting your button fairly often, his range isnt KK+, AK. Hes got alot more shit in there, maybe as wide as TT+, AJ+.
calling pre is fine just cuz u can position rape him and the 3b is small
flop obv call, lets see the turn?
@odds to hit question, total chance to hit like 2pair+ is around 3% or so, but we'll get a flush draw or a flush about 11.5% of the time, and like 2.4% or so to flop an 8 outer/or a straight.
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^^^ makes very little sense.
Against that range our reverse implied odds are high and implied odds aren't great. When you hit an eight on flop and he fires are you calling? I don't see where this assumption that this is profitable comes from. If his range tight we can go for just two pair+, but with it being a little wider we have to comit more chips with topnk ands so uhm, this seems very unprofitable.
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we don't have reverse implied odds, we have implied odds
this is because we're not felting top pair
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cleanup.that
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3-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Why in the world would you consider raising the flop?
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Thats a good question. I was a bit confused here, but I guess I took his small donk bet as being weak and I didnt want to allow him to see another card if I was ahead.
Maybe this is the wrong line of thinking though, what am I missing?
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kmind
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I'd think of folding before raising
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Donkafelts
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Straight
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Originally Posted by iopq
we don't have reverse implied odds, we have implied odds
this is because we're not felting top pair
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We still lose some when we call down streets with Q or 8 and he shows up with aces. Is it as simple as plugging in the equities from stove with pot odds and saying we have position? I think we rarely make 2 pair or better, and calling streets with top pair middle pair flush draws and straight draws arent going to make up the equity.
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Originally Posted by Donkafelts
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Originally Posted by iopq
we don't have reverse implied odds, we have implied odds
this is because we're not felting top pair
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We still lose some when we call down streets with Q or 8 and he shows up with aces. Is it as simple as plugging in the equities from stove with pot odds and saying we have position? I think we rarely make 2 pair or better, and calling streets with top pair middle pair flush draws and straight draws arent going to make up the equity. |
we call one street, spike trips and stack him
or we call one street and fold turn
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JKDS
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Full House
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more opinions /reasons why calling the small 3b is good/bad. i feel like im insane right now cuz this seems like such an easy call.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
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Villain is only 75ish bb deep, so calling isn't great. If he's full, then it can't be too bad given his sizing, position, postflop advantages, and the fact that we know what we need to stack off against him correctly (2pr+).
@cleanup - Letting him see another card while you are ahead isn't a great thing. However, it's infinitely better than raising and felting against only better hands. If you raise this flop, he will never continue with worse. You will effectively be building a pot with an inferior hand to his range. If his better "looks weak", then you should be inclined to call here, as that is what keep his range the widest, and possibly you ahead of that range.
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we're putting in 4 to win 76, so 19-to-1 in position with two suited cards that can possibly flop a straight, a flush, two pair, trips or a draw
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