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settecba
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10-08-2008, 06:01 AM
Post subject: 10NL: QQ SB Line check
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Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (10 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($14.28)
MP3 ($3.57)
CO ($10.95)
Button ($21.45)
Hero (SB) ($11.18)
BB ($10.15)
UTG ($5.05)
UTG+1 ($6.75)
UTG+2 ($19.67)
MP1 ($5.25)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , Q
3 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, CO raises to $0.55, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds
Flop: ($1.30) 3 , 5 , 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
Turn: ($1.30) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
River: ($1.30) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.60, Hero folds
Total pot: $1.30 | Rake: $0.05
No reads...what would be standard?
Just one thing: if you are going to post "3-bet" pre, and thats it...please dont...it doesnt help me at all. Im interested in the why behind every answer.
Thanks...
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sarbox68
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10-08-2008, 06:13 AM
Post subject: Re: 10NL: QQ SB Line check
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Originally Posted by settecba
Just one thing: if you are going to post "3-bet" pre, and thats it...please dont...it doesnt help me at all. Im interested in the why behind every answer.
Thanks...
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K'... so, I would 3-bet 'cause you are very likely way ahead of the bulk of CO's raising range, you can define is range a bit and to pref ensure you iso him. You want to be HU on the flop w/ QQ 'cause you ain't playing it for set value.... I'd cbet into that flop, and then we see what happens....
As played, you're WAY too passive. You've got a great hand... I'd still bet out the flop, or at minimum, 2/3 psb the turn. I'm guessing CO had Ax given he pops to life with a "screw me" bet on the River (tho' tough to tell with no stats or reads). I think this pot could've been yours if you'd taken him down before then...
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additional reason for 3bet = taking initiative postflop as opposed to giving the CO positional advantage, ergo allowing you to cbet and take it down b4 a scare card comes on the Turn. Make sense?
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The best reason to 3b pre is because CO is raising a wider range than, say, UTG. I would guess that he's doing it with implied odds hands like 77 and JTs. You wouldn't get any value from them post-flop unless they got you crushed.
Even if he folds most of his range, you're picking up the pot. If he continues with the strong parts of his range, you might be even money.
But if you flat pre and the flop is ace high, are you really going to fold to his cbet when he's cbetting probably 100% of the time on an ace high flop (repping the ace)
If you call on an ace-high flop, are you going to call a double-barrel? A tripple-barrel?
I've been known to tripple-barrel bluff sometimes. Do you think flatting pre would be good against me? Against your regular villain it's actually even better because they'll call a 3b way wider than I do.
That said, I'm almost tempted to turn our hand into a bluff and lead the river.
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wellrounded08
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Originally Posted by iopq
I've been known to tripple-barrel bluff sometimes.
There's one of those leaks you were asking about.
Do you think flatting pre would be good against me? Against your regular villain it's actually even better because they'll call a 3b way wider than I do.
If you're an agromonkey that will slow down if I 3b, then yes probably.
That said, I'm almost tempted to turn our hand into a bluff and lead the river.
He's calling with pretty much any ace.
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IMO.
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bigspenda73
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you 3bet because at 10nl players will call you with hands that are at an equity disadvantage to QQ, thus making you money.
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Of course he's calling with any ace. I'm hoping he folds the rest, which is the point.
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GatorJH
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Originally Posted by iopq
Of course he's calling with any ace. I'm hoping he folds the rest, which is the point.
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What "rest" are you talking about? If villain has Kx or any hand that we are behind do you really think he checks behind on the turn here?
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settecba
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i actually 3bet this hand almost always. I was reading a thread here the other day about flatting QQ pre or 3betting. There was no definitive answer there, so i thought id try flatting QQ myself and see what happens(this hand is what happened).
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killerkebab
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Originally Posted by settecba
i actually 3bet this hand almost always. I was reading a thread here the other day about flatting QQ pre or 3betting. There was no definitive answer there, so i thought id try flatting QQ myself and see what happens(this hand is what happened).
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If you're going to try flatting, try it in position 
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wellrounded08
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
you 3bet because at 10nl players will call you with hands that are at an equity disadvantage to QQ, thus making you money.
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But by that logic, TT is a good 3b.
Obviously we 3b, OOP and all, I'm just saying, maybe we(I anyway.) need further development on that train of thought.
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sarbox68
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Originally Posted by wellrounded08
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
you 3bet because at 10nl players will call you with hands that are at an equity disadvantage to QQ, thus making you money.
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But by that logic, TT is a good 3b.
Obviously we 3b, OOP and all, I'm just saying, maybe we(I anyway.) need further development on that train of thought. |
Hell yizzo I'll 3bet TT... from the blinds against a loose LP ATS, on the button vs. a weak tighty or loose HJ opener, or IP against almost anyone in MP+ who folds way too much to 3bets...
... but then again, I am a nit 
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settecba
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Originally Posted by wellrounded08
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
you 3bet because at 10nl players will call you with hands that are at an equity disadvantage to QQ, thus making you money.
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But by that logic, TT is a good 3b.
Obviously we 3b, OOP and all, I'm just saying, maybe we(I anyway.) need further development on that train of thought. |
I know I need further development...Thats the reason I posted this HH.
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notoriousnf
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Only thing I could have told you to do is 3bet the QQ PF. Smooth calling queens out of position is a bad thing to do... worst case scenario is that an ace flops and you have to fold... where in a better case you 3bet him he calls, you get 3 blanks on the flop and you can easily scoop up his call.
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