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Evilpopcorn
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06-07-2009, 10:21 PM
Post subject: 10NL : QQ facing two raises
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 232
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Villian Stats : (VP$IP/PFR [Street Aggression] 3-bet%)
BTN: 22/19 [13 2 1] 5%
SB: 15/15 [inf - -] 6%
I noted there stats just after the hand but unfortunately forgot to note the number of hands. They were both less than 50 hands i remember.
My Thoughts And Questions
So i can assume BTN is opening pretty wide here, but i am afraid to make assumptions on SB 3bet range as i have very few hands. What i can see tho over a few hands is that his VPIP and PFR are the same meaning he cant be half bad.
Without any specific read that SB likes to 3bet a lot then is the better line to flat here than to 4bet ?
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
MP: $9.25
CO: $10.25
BTN: $21.90
SB: $10.00
Hero (BB): $12.95
UTG: $10.00
UTG posts a big blind ($0.10)
Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG checks, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, SB raises to $1.30, Hero ?
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Dannyboy6
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2009
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My take would be that BTN has an obvious huge range to open from 76s to QJ+ in this position. I would definately re-raise to at least $3.75 to try a squeeze play.
A lot of the time BTN will fold and SB will only call OOP so you've got yourself in a good spot.
Wouldn't be suprised if SB has a pair of 10s though, So you might get a lot of action on low flops, which is good in this situation.
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Evilpopcorn
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Its 10NL and i dont see a lot of light 3betting going on. So without having enough hands on SB to know that he likes doing that i cant help and go with my standard that this is with a tight range say AK JJ+. If i had to assign that range then the flat would be better ?
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Hoopy
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Riverballs
Posts: 777
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Well his range looks like this,88+,ATs+,KQs,AQo+ and maybe some of the lower pairs as well.
I like a raise to $3.75 if the button folds the pot will be $7.90 and we can get it in on most flops.
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revolvingiris
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Full House
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As someone who has similar stats to SB. I'm not doing this with JJ FWIW. Not to mention I will be oop the rest of play. If I was you, I would call and evaluate flop. No need to bust on QQ for no reason.
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sarbox68
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Full House
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Location: wondering where the 3 extra chairs at my 6max table came from
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Bu PFR range is wide, most likely 35%+ with those stats. His ATS % would be helpful. 3betting light doesn't happen a ton at 10NL, but defending against a steal is known to occur... so SB's 3bet range is prolly going to be its widest in this situation, esp if he also puts the Bu on a wide range.
If you flat, odds are much better that Bu will come along, since his 3b calling range IP is going to be much wider than his 4bet calling range. So it's likely you are going to end up 3way, in the worst position (left of the 3bettor and OOP against the original raiser) w/ QQ. What will you do next on 3K9 flop? T9A? 558? The pot will be 3.90 (assuming Bu comes along), so almost any bet will commit you... it's not going to be a fun spot to be in.
I'd prolly 4bet to $4hoping to get HU vs the SB and then look to get it in.
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
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The don't call it gamblin' for nothin - raisy daisy.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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I like a call and getting it in on low-card flop, we have position on the 3bettor and the btn isn't guaranteed to come along.
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I like a call and getting it in on low-card flop, we have position on the 3bettor and the btn isn't guaranteed to come along.
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Calling requires good reading skills and solid postflop decisions. I'm learning this and see what spenda's saying. For less experienced players, I think the preflop raise is +EV and makes life easier. Totally agree that someone like spenda would be more ++EV calling here. Trying to get to that point myself.
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Robb, this is not quite true. If you're not EV+ making this call, you're probably not EV+ playing at your stakes. Remember that the higher you play the LESS your post-flop edge is. Sure, 4bing makes decisions easy, but sometimes it's good to make your decisions hard so you can learn to make the best play in the future. For example, opening a really tight range might make your decisions easy. But loosening up may be more EV+. Same situation here, maybe 4bing is the easier decision and flatting is the harder one. But I still think the most EV+ decision is the correct one, as long as you are a winner at these stakes.
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
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@IOPQ - good thoughts - I like working and just a few things at a time, and playing in these spots isn't going to make a difference in win rates, so maybe it's best to try flatting this knowing you'll make some mistakes postflop, but knowing you'll learn.
FWIW, I flat this some and raise it some, depending on the villains. I'm getting better postflop, but I certainly still spew my share.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Robb
@IOPQ - good thoughts - I like working and just a few things at a time, and playing in these spots isn't going to make a difference in win rates, so maybe it's best to try flatting this knowing you'll make some mistakes postflop, but knowing you'll learn.
FWIW, I flat this some and raise it some, depending on the villains. I'm getting better postflop, but I certainly still spew my share.
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oh you don't know about spew
I spew the whole table's share
I should think about making a 100NL video to show such important concepts such as:
* Putting nits on air
* Tripple floating in common three barreling spots (also known as a mississippi bluff)
* King high hero calls on drawy flops
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