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Sasquach991
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01-14-2009, 07:21 PM
Post subject: 10NL-Nut Flush Draw
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First hand for MP so no reads
SB is 50/15 over about 60 hands. He's one of those players that min bets every street.
After looking at this later I realized I wasn't paying as much attention to MP as I was SB.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($25.30)
BB ($9.75)
Hero (UTG) ($10.70)
MP ($10)
Button ($15.65)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4 , A
Hero calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.30) 9 , 8, 9 (3 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, MP raises to $1, SB calls $0.60, Hero calls $0.60
Turn: ($4.30) 3 (3 players)
SB bets $0.80, Hero raises to $2.50, MP calls $2.50, SB calls $1.70
River: ($11.80) 6 (3 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero ???
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kb coolman
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Sasquach991
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
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Seems kinda obvious doesn't it.
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"Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
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RML604
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If you're calling the flop to chase the nut flush, then when you get there, your choice should be pretty easy. If you're afraid that the board is paired and someone will have a full house, fold the flop. As played, you're getting 119-1 odds, which is decent. But I would shove over every time.
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RoyalProdigy
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Well its so obvios that you have the flush because you took control and raised when you hit the flush. i agree with RML 100% if your gonna chase on that flop and hit the nut flush your gonna at least value bet and if you get reraised all in your commited to call. He dosnt have a boat anyway because hes not gonna reraise floping a boat. hes gonna smooth call hope you hit the flush or open ended straight so he gets payed off. ABC- Value bet your nut flush hope he calls you with A-9, or pocket 10s.
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Stack That Arab Money!!!
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AFchung
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why would you even consider calling the flop bet just to fold when your draw hits?
no monster laydowns necessary at 10nl. ship it.
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sil693
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fold preflop.
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Sasquach991
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Originally Posted by RoyalProdigy
...He dosnt have a boat anyway because hes not gonna reraise floping a boat. hes gonna smooth call hope you hit the flush or open ended straight so he gets payed off. ....
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Wrong
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"Just cause I'm from the South don't mean I ain't got no book learnin'"
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
...we've all learned long ago how to share the truth without actually having the truth.
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that logic would apply if SB bet a nice amount on the flop in which case a raise is very menacing
but a tiny raise on the flop is a pot sweetener especially since the guy knows he's going to get action from both of you
conclusion: fold pf
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Monty3038
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Originally Posted by sil693
fold preflop.
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Anyone up to this one?
I'm not playing A4s multi-way, but how many do? Especially OOP.?
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kb coolman
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I don't really see the problem opening A4s at a 5 handed table, especially if you think you'll get a multiway pot.
And Axs ALWAYS plays better multiway, becuase you know what you're after. Straight and flushes. Multi-way is better because it give you the odd to draw correctly.
As played, this has to be a shove.
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Deuce Blue
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Originally Posted by Monty3038
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Originally Posted by sil693
fold preflop.
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Anyone up to this one?
I'm not playing A4s multi-way, but how many do? Especially OOP.? |
Bullshit Monty. You play A-Rag unsuited from ANY position!! J/K
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You are an FTR station-pwn'ing badass motherf**ker. You have no pansyass, girly-girl, crybaby fears. Pwn the f**king stations like you know you ought to. And win some damn money, dammit.
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Monty3038
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Originally Posted by Deuce Blue
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Originally Posted by Monty3038
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Originally Posted by sil693
fold preflop.
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Anyone up to this one?
I'm not playing A4s multi-way, but how many do? Especially OOP.? |
Bullshit Monty. You play A-Rag unsuited from ANY position!! J/K |
True, and KB, I get that Axs is better in a multiway pot... but I need to go back and research how the odds look, odds to hit the flush, straight vs. money to be won...
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Illfavor
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It takes a good table feel to open-limp anything (even 5handed) and calling a raise with Axs isn't really optimal. I'd def. fold this preflop. You just don't know it'll be multiway, and getting lots of money in when your equity is the worst is not good.
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Ich grolle nicht...
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kb coolman
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I think the limp/call here is good. I would likely fold to just one raiser, but having the SB call behind makes this very juicy.
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Illfavor
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
I think the limp/call here is good. I would likely fold to just one raiser, but having the SB call behind makes this very juicy.
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I like the call after the bad limp, but I can't imagine how limping A4s UTG is supposed to be profitable in the long run. Maybe I'm just a nit, but this is a "implied odds hand" and I tend to play those with good position so I can control the betting. I'm not limping 98s or 44 here, and those are mostly the same thing here.
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Ich grolle nicht...
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kb coolman
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It's a 5 handed table, so A4s carries alot more value, IMO. I like the limp here, because you still have options if someone shows a lot of strength. With a raise and caller behind, it's perfect. With a raise/reraise I can fold only losing my limp.
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Illfavor
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
It's a 5 handed table, so A4s carries alot more value, IMO. I like the limp here, because you still have options if someone shows a lot of strength. With a raise and caller behind, it's perfect. With a raise/reraise I can fold only losing my limp.
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I play 6max almost exclusively, and I pretty much fold all Axs below A7 before the cutoff. This is one before the cutoff, making these even more marginal. If the hand has "a lot more value" then that's criteria for raising it preflop. Limping behind in late/MP is considerably different than open limping any pot ever. This isn't really that important. 
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Ich grolle nicht...
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kettleofish
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Originally Posted by Illfavor
I'm not limping 98s or 44 here, and those are mostly the same thing here.
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QFT. You're Ace is practically worthless as you'll be dominated so often if you flop TP and we're OOP which is gaaaaycakes. You'll basically need to get paid off in full every time you hit a flush just to break even, and it's quite difficult to get an opponents stack into the middle when you're OOP and gave up the initative PF by l/c'ing.
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bigspenda73
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PF is very bad, raise/fold PF. I raise A2s+ from UTG at 6max so you know what I'd do
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