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Old 05-22-2009, 09:41 PM     Post subject: 10NL KK played very badly #1 (permalink)  
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Only 6 hands on Villain, so no read.

I screwed this one up starting on the flop. With that board should this be a check fold, bet fold, or something else completely?


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CO ($21.65)
Button ($10.10)
SB ($13.25)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($10.85)
MP ($10.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ks, Kc
2 folds, CO bets $0.50, 1 fold, SB calls $0.45, Hero raises to $1.70, CO calls $1.20, SB calls $1.20

Flop: ($5.10) As, Qd, 4s (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($8.10) 7c (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($11.10) 2s (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5.30, Hero folds

Total pot: $11.10 | Rake: $0.50

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Outcome: CO won $10.60
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Old 05-22-2009, 10:40 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Well you already seem to know PF should have been bigger so barring that I think I like a Cbet here. What I do next would depend heavily on who did what vs. my Cbet and then revaluate on the turn. Interested in other opinions though.


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Old 05-23-2009, 12:51 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I just fold, there is no way four people see a flop and none of them flop good
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What iopq said, imo not worth a cbet since people will continue a lot of the time with any A, Q or draw, and you have to figure in a multiway 3bet pot somebody has an A.
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Old 05-23-2009, 06:16 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Good advice....but then what would have been a good Preflop raise amopunt?
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I just fold, there is no way two people see a flop and none of them flop good


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I just fold, there is no way two people see a flop and none of them flop good
three including us I miscounted by one so sue me
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Old 05-23-2009, 06:38 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I just fold, there is no way two people see a flop and none of them flop good
three including us I miscounted by one so sue me
I meant that with only two people still in the hand it would be very easy for one of them to not have a hand or maybe Qx so a cbet does not seem all that bad to me here and why would we include ourselves in "the people that could have flopped good" here??.

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Old 05-23-2009, 07:13 PM #9 (permalink)  
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well if we missed we're card blocking other combos
instead of possible 12 KQ combos he now has only 6
instead of possible 12 AK combos he now has only 6
so now there are more AQ and AJ (9 and 12 respectively)

so if he folds hands like QJ/KJ to a 3b pf, he's more likely to have an ace than a Q
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:52 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Good points.
I just think c/f is so weak here, then again I prob lose a lot of money in these spots as well.

Nopants--- The more I look at the PF raise the more I don't mind it as much. I might have gone to $2 (4x) since we will be oop vs CO and I would like to get this heads up vs him but 1.70 does not seem all that bad. Did he sit down with 20?


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Old 05-23-2009, 09:39 PM #11 (permalink)  
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No, he would only have been able to sit down with 10, but I was only there for 6 hands so I wasn't able to see how he built his stack.

I can see how $2 would have been a better raise, especially considering the initial call by the sb
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 raise more PF because you do NOT want to play in MP in a 3-way pot. i'm perfectly happy if it's folded after i bet 2-2.25.
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